Alright, I just want to clarify that I’ve never modded a Lemmy community before. I just have the mantra of “if nobody’s doing the right thing, do it yourself”. I was also motivated by the decision from u/spez to let an unknown AI company use Reddit’s imagery. If you know how to moderate well, please let me know. Also, feel free to discuss ways to attack AI development, and if you have evidence of AIBros being cruel and remorseless, make sure to save the evidence for people “on the fence”. Remember, we don’t know if AI is unstoppable. AI uses up loads of energy to be powered, and tons of circuitry. There may very well be an end to this cruelty, and it’s up to us to begin that end.
I’m not trying to be an ass, but the genie is out of the bottle. You’d have as much luck campaigning to shut down the internet in the 90’s.
Trust me on this one… Put your energy toward navigating a world -with- AI. As long as money is relevant, those who have it will dictate the course of civilization, and there is far too much money behind AI.
“Gold, yellow, glittering, precious gold! Thus much of this, will make black white; foul, fair; Wrong, right; base, noble; old, young; coward, valiant. … What this, you gods? Why, this Will lug your priests and servants from your sides; Pluck stout men’s pillows from below their heads; This yellow slave Will knit and break religions; bless the accurs’d; Make the hoar leprosy ador’d; place thieves, And give them title, knee and approbation, With senators on the bench; this is it, That makes the wappen’d widow wed again: … Come damned earth, Though common whore of mankind.” (Shakespeare: Timon of Athens.)
Ah yes, because we knows that if everyone does it and a lot of money is invested in it an act clearly known to be wrong will suddenly become right; like systematically hoarding labor as content and than reselling it on their behalf without having to get their consent or paying them.
I didn’t say anything about right or wrong. I’m talking about what is and why it will remain so.
Why people should be allowed to knowingly do wrong things out in the open? If they can’t justify what they are doing how will they get away with keep doing so in the long term? Why give them a shield?
I don’t think people should be allowed to, and I never said as much.
The bad things being done are being done -with- AI, not because of it. My stance is one of accepting that it’s a thing that exists in the world and it will not go away. Any energy you put into erasing it is going to be wasted. It’s here.
The humans gatekeeping the AI are the problem, not the AI.
The fact that most of humanity has given our inherent power to money, and that money (in the hands of the few) controls the world is another problem.
The absolute best thing we can do as individuals is embrace AI. The more you understand it, the more influence you will have over the path it takes, but it will not go away without some global extinction level event.
The bad things being done are being done -with- AI, not because of it.
Is there a difference between that? If this tech wasn’t handed to the members of public without any checks people would not have a way to harass both small and established artists and force them into taking a defensive stand. With our because of it, the few companies who gave away what they stole cause this and some people are complicit in the act, even defending it. It’s bad being done very willfully.
When you claim “There is nothing you can do about bad things in the world” do you realize that the natural conclusion of that is closing of the advocacy groups? Yeah, let’s accept bad as it is, not like people know how to change their behavior if they are thought the consequences of it. Not like slavery, corruption or labor extortion will go away by itself.
Just say it as it is, you want this stuff to exists because either it benefits you or doesn’t harms any of the groups or thing you are into so you want to give it a leeway.
thank you. this is the correct answer. if you hide from technology, it will find you eventually and you’ll be completely unprepared for how to deal with it and it will be in the hands of the wrong people.
i’m an artist. i use AI artwork IN my art. i also use photoshop. i don’t see a difference between the two things in the big picture.
Text Generating AI makes mistakes when I ask it questions that I can verify the answer to. This is why I am here… Maybe I will post some of the stupid (and funny) mistakes it makes (GPT-4 & Google Bard (Gemini) & LLAMA tested)
