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    “It has become impossible to tell managers mesmerised by artificial intelligence that the tools are not, in fact, helpful. So employees just play along with the fiction to keep their jobs, writes our tech columnist”

    Very good article, definitely worth a read

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    The motivation behind this religious zeal is a WORLD WITHOUT WORKERS.

    All the times these fuckers tell us we can’t have worker’s rights, we can’t have UBI, we can’t have universal healthcare, we can’t have subsidized housing, etc., because it’s unrealistic remember that they crashed the world economy in a vain attempt to create 99% unemployment.

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      Yes, but I quibble only slightly here in that I think you might be implying they think or care about the larger picture. They want to not pay workers at their company. They don’t really give a shit about anything else.

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      Yup. Ed ZItron is a programmer (I guess) and he had another programmer on his show and they both agreed: AI is extremely helpful in finding them clients they want to work with. That is to say, clients who are constantly asking for full AI-integration are going to be garbage to work for, clients who please say do not use AI in the product in any way are going to be great to work for.

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      As far as websites go, I’d trust The Nerve more than 99% of others considering who owns and runs it. Ghostery lists Sentry and Perimeterx trackers only which are internal user behaviour monitoring and security tools.

      Maybe you know this but I just feel the need to slightly defend then here in case anyone assumes it’s the typical far more invasive cross-site tracking.

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    The people who I work with will spend 15 minutes telling me both how great AI is and how hard it is to get it to do what you want it to do. They just don’t even listen to what they are saying.

    Example: “What did you do on the weekend?” “Oh I found this cool new AI tool that lets you do <complex thing x>. It only did <simple version of complex thing x> and I had to do a bit of work to fix it up. But how cool?!”

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    If Donald Trump ordered Big Tech to turn off all of your country’s chatbots tomorrow, nothing would change. Every one of your country’s ministries and corporations would chug on with nary a hitch. Households, too, though perhaps a few of the younger members of those families would have to do their own homework again.

    Contrast this with what would transpire if Trump directed his tech giants to switch off your country’s Office 365 access, or to brick your Android and iOS phones, or to killswitch your John Deere tractors. Your country would effectively cease to exist.

    I love you Cory, but this is bullshit.

    Office 365? Maybe a few companies would loose some documents, and productivity would drop 30% for a few months until they recreated everything in LibreOffice.

    iOS shares are negligible in most of the world. Google can’t brick Android devices. Most people run cheap Chinese phones. Worst case, maybe 30% of phones stop working. Everyone else goes to their local phone shop (which will get slammed for business) to install Lineage or Graphene. So some people don’t have smart phones for a few weeks. Annoying, but no biggie.

    John Deere? Most food produced in the world is basically local and nearly organic. So some big corporate farms suffer, and there’s a huge boost to the majority small farms.

    In all cases, these attacks would have about the same effect as loosing access to chat bots: temporarily productivity loss until workflows are adjusted, and then better sovereignty.

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      Office 365? Maybe a few companies would loose some documents, and productivity would drop 30% for a few months until they recreated everything in LibreOffice.

      Office 365 isn’t just access to Word, Excel, and PowerPoint, it also includes Outlook, Teams, and OneDrive. Companies that lose access to all of their email, files, and team chats can’t just “recreate everything in LibreOffice.” These companies would be utterly paralyzed as businesses and would essentially have to replace all their computers and IT infrastructure.

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        Again, that would mean a loss of productive of like 30% until they get replacement infra. It wouldn’t grind them to a complete vault like Doctrow is suggesting.

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          I can tell you, the company I work for would be completely unable to operate without access to our email and files. All of the work done here flows through email. All of our customers contact us through that channel, even when they don’t realize it (contact through the website gets forwarded through email).

          There are lots of other companies that work this way. Email isn’t just for asking questions and setting up meetings, it’s the queue system through which all work gets done.

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            Sure, and it would take your IT department a couple days to replace your email provider. It takes about a few seconds to a few minutes for MX records to propagate.

            You might loose your past emails, but critical email accounts should be back online in a few days. The biggest delay would be getting management to approve a new provider (probably about an hour when they realize the impact) and provisioning the new accounts (probably a few hours for your most critical accounts. Up to a couple weeks for the less important ones).

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    Curious how Cory sidesteps the way that AI has affected cybersecuity.

    https://securityaffairs.com/194016/ai/anthropics-mythos-ai-broke-into-almost-all-nsa-classified-systems-in-hours.html)

    Mythos broke into almost all of the NSA’s classified systems in the matter of hours. It’s damn good at breaking things.

    Edit: wow, I’m really surprised by the ignorance of down voters here. Look at the security bugs found in FOSS by AI. AI is trash for writing code, but it’s way faster than humans at breaking code.

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      There is a huge conflict of interest with that claim being from the AI industry and the US government, with both being interested in overstating the capabilities of the model.

      Also, Romanian college kids used to routinely break into US military webpages in the 90s, so IDK what the novelty is.

      Tell me when they cause damage or are prosecuted, until then, it’s just an as, likely exaggerated or straight up false.

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        Especially from Anthropic, who has long maintained the position that their AI is dangerous, and is currently in a cock counting competition with OpenAI about who can hack the most companies first, and thus has the most dangerous model.

        The whole thing has just started turning into a farce of “oh, well actually, my AI hacked companies before yours and did it to more companies than your AI”.

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        The US outlawed selling this product after that happend. That cuts your claim of marketing for CoI down.

        And comparing a public website with a secured intranet is absured. As is comparing security systems of the 90s (when we used DES) to modern security systems.

        Tell me when they cause damage or are prosecuted, until then, it’s just an as, likely exaggerated or straight up false.

        Again, it sounds like you didn’t read the article. They were hired for this security audit. It wasn’t rogue. There won’t be a prosecution of their contractor lol.

        They were just shocked at how effective it was. Most penetration tests don’t have that many critical vulnerability findings.

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          No, they outlawed it way before, but they didn’t outlaw that of OpenAI that also claimed to hack HuggingFace.

          It’s also very convenient to outlaw a product that does not exist as advertised.

          And “they were shocked” is not a metric. Compare it to the existing state of the art in a test controlled by a party with no conflict of interest and I’ll believe it happened.

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            You obviously didn’t read the article. Those are entirely different things.

            Your obvious ignorance is showing.

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    Am I just expected to trust Cory Doctorow?

    He has deep ties with the tech industry tyrants. He “parties” with tech billionaires and Hollywood nutjobs at Burning Man.

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      Uhh, well everything I’ve heard from him, including the book Enshittification, has a sole purpose: calling these capitalist assholes out for the fraud and general shitty behavior they tend to have. Zero punches are pulled in that book. I have no idea why you think he’s a tech bro or whatever, but if he is, those parties are either pretty awkward for him or there’s some 4d chess with kickbacks involved here somewhere and that doesn’t make much sense at all.

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          Doctorow coined enshittification and is tirelessly fighting it and advocating for legislation against it.

          you’re aggressively ignorant. easy block.

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            And he literally wrote an entire book crammed full of criticism of the tech companies’ bad behavior. He’s probably the person singularly most responsible for the public being aware of this shit. Yeah, this commenter is pretty stupid.

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              It’s more like I abhor Zionists, AI, and genocide. All of which are intrinsicly linked. Doctorow is a Zionist, prove me wrong. See my other reply below for more information.

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                No. He wrote an important and correct book that speaks truth to power. Given that my name is not Cory Doctorow, I’ve got nothing to defend. Not that he does either. I don’t care if he does, that book alone does precisely the opposite of the pack of lies you’re selling about him here.

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          How many books have you written solely focused on exposing tech company misdeeds? Guessing it’s zero compared to Doctorow’s >= 1, so by your own words here, you statements are dead.

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            Edit: Sorry for my very late response. I tend to take long breaks from social media on a whim. Doesn’t help me try and get my point across one bit.

            I admit my comment was stupid.

            I tend to react without thinking quite a lot.

            But I stand by my initial statement, that he’s an industry plant, with the goal being to distract from the real danger of AI. I’ve read a lot of his blog and it’s become quite clear that he is a Zionist. He’s an Ashkenazi Jew same as Net and Yahoo. I see no statements of him condemning the genocide in Gaza, or any of Israel’s atrocities. Just look st some of the biggest investors in AI and you’d be hard pressed to find to find any that aren’t linked to Zionists in some form or fashion.

            When confronted with the topic on a podcast (TWiT), all he said was “I don’t like what they’re doing in my name”. What does that even mean? Highly ambiguous. I might have the clip somewhere hear on my phone but it would take some time to find it. On the same podcast but probably different episode, he mentioned his Burning Man attendance and where many tech billionaires frequent as well. I most certainly didn’t clip that and finding it amongst their massive archive would take days if it hasn’t already been edited out, which they are known to do as of late. Leo Laporte (the host and founder) has zero control over anything these days on his network including his own mind. He’s been AI brainwashed by his guests and his manager / wife who is a narcissist of the highest order. Deep down he is a kind and humble person. It has been utterly heart breaking to listen to these days. I was an avid listener form it’s creation and especially during the 2008 to 2012 period. I’ve also listened to all his other podcasts during those days which are many. TWiT is by far the most important tech podcast of all time even though it’s fallen off in the post AI era. To find the most reprehensible tech pundits, all you have to do is listen / watch TWiT lately. Even more so his other podcast “Intelligent Machines” co hosted by the absolutely abhorrent Jeff Jarvis (former people magazine writer and long time Howard Stern friend). He is just gross. I literally slam my fist into the floor listening to him talk and the way he treats Leo.

            What I find the most interesting is that Doctorow started making frequent appearances on the podcast I keep referencing, This Week in Tech (TWiT), after John Perry Barlow died, who was the original founder (he came up with the idea and others latched on) of the EFF. He was probably one of the most benevolent tech guys in the industry. His charitable work is astounding. Guess who was also a not so frequent guest on the show before Doctorow started showing up? John Perry Barlow! Remember Leo does not choose who his guests are, it’s all controlled by his wife. She is essentially his handler. Narcissist tend to always end up turning their target into themselves, it’s called mirroring. Making themselves appear benevolent and their victim appear malevolent.

            Barlows article title “Africa Rising: Everything You Know About Africa Is Wrong” sounds eerily similar to Doctorow’s article on this post.

            All Doctorow did for the EFF is write a fictional story or two and make general supportive statements like “I support digital privacy” or “I’m a supporter and user of TOR”. The EFF is nothing more than a paper tiger and their Wikipedia article is biased (see the latest internet archive court case section).

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              So you stand by your claim that someone is exactly what they’ve spent lots of time fighting against. And your reasoning is he’s not been outspoken enough about Israel. This is weak shit and yeah weeks later I’m less likely to be more invested in the conversation, if I ever would have been.

              If all he ever did was write the book Enshittification and then die he would literally have done millions of times more to fight big tech than you ever will. This is just a bizarre exchange.

              Also it’s weird that you point out that he’s Jewish and just kinda let it hang there like I should draw some conclusion from that.