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Unfortunately the saying refers to soft men like Trump et. al., not femboys.
God I wish we had a femboy president and cabinet… I’m not even attracted to them. I just know they’d be infinitely better than the fucking fascist cheeto et. al…
no its about femboys. read history
can confirm I lived in the Roman empire 👍
You’d be surprised by the amount of nazi femboys there are…
Eh… I’m aware how insufferably ‘bottom’ many of them are. To want to be a nazi whilst being a type of person they would likely dislike is … pretty strong bottom energy.
pretty strong bottom energy.
It’s not only about bottoms tho
There a lot of people in LGBT+ community that supports islam\sharia law. Amount of people that are simultaneously in those two circles is surprisingly high. Same with women and sharia law actually. You would think they understand that it basically a suicide - but here we are. Sadly, don’t have exact numbers, maybe that just vocal minority, who knows.
I mean, even if we talking about politics - there a lot of people who supported Trump for example. Same people then complained, that their group (LGBT+, farmers, etc) was negatively affected by his politics. Leopards do what leopards do.
Also, in my birth country russia (I hope it cease to exist), all that fascist “z” movement rise so high, that many communities like furry, anime, mlp, etc. became toxic waste. Sad thing really, you see how people support same regime, that prosecute them.
Yea, it was partly a joke. I will never understand how people, especially minorities, can look themselves in the mirror after voting against their own interest. Not even in a greedy way, but in a, “what the fuck did you think would happen?” sort of way.
This is still not the criteria to decide who decides…
… Nor correct reasoning. Femboys can be fascist too. These are not mutually exclusive sets. So no, you are in error asserting you know they’d be better, if you’re saying they’d not be fascist. Power corrupts, and corrupted feboys may be a devil we don’t know. I’d rather not have a devil making machine. No matter which flavour of devils. I do not want a devil making machine. Putting women in power, did not mend it. Putting “black faces in high places”, did not mend it. But putting femboys in the power structure shaped for fascism, is going to mend it? May be yet missing the lesson to learn here. ~ Sorry Martin Luther King. I’m tryin.
I’m absolutely positive there are fewer femboy fascists than Republican fascists.
My comment is not about the most ideal government, nor about power structures, but a direct comparison of two specific things.
fewer
So your “know” is just a gamble.
A gamble with better odds than the 100% chance we currently have… How fucking dense can you be?
It shouldn’t be fucking difficult to understand that a gamble is better than a guarantee.
Your aggressive ad-hominem, and moved goal posts, is uncompelling. Sorry I’ve failed to help elucidate the epistemics here for you, past your apparent identity attachment with this that’s causing such a social-dominance limbic-reaction occluding critical thinking, but given that reaction, I’m losing confidence in my abilities to cut through the emotion to get this correspondence back to the simple logic, and shan’t even try. Hoping you find the way to feel better.
lol good job failing to understand the most basic facts of reality, let alone anything about biology, but nice attempt to sound smart. You’re the biggest fool I’ve seen on here all week.
Bro made a casual joke and you took it too seriously. YTA.
Those two aren’t men, they’re an enby and a trans woman.
This whole thing never made much sense. It’s just a poorly thought out version of the passage of trauma, one that fails to account for systemization of classism, bigotry, and the like. If this were the case, things should swing wildly every 40 years, but that hasn’t been my observation.
No, it makes perfect sense if you treat it like the metaphorical expression it is and not a literal description of reality…
Or are you the kind of person to think, “measure twice, cut once” literally means you need to measure things twice and not that it’s about being careful?
I’d give it respect as a saying if it hadn’t been adopted by republicans as a means of putting down society at large. The Apple doesn’t fall across the bridge when it gets to it.
Also, I do measure twice. But I also cut three times because I’m terrible with electric saws and I need the practice.
That’s stupid. Republicans will miscontrue and torture any expression if it lets them shit on others.
Just look at “right to work”, or all the BS they’ve spouted against universal healthcare since long before Trump et. al…
If you let lying cheating monsters define everything, OFC most of it isn’t going to be true.
You’re welcome to fight the treadmill of American language and associations to attempt to reclaim a saying that I personally view as limiting. Sounds like a huge undertaking, but it seems like it really matters to you. I’m rooting for you.
I’ll never cede ymca as a straight song, but a poorly thought out saying, I can’t care.
Then keep allowing shitty people to ruin things like you seem to want to do. It’s the American way, after all.
Nah, metaphors can be wrong. Even things that “feel true” can be wrong.
It’s not wrong when viewed as a metaphor.
Entire generations aren’t comprised of weak or strong men. It’s fucking stupid to think it means the world works in predictable cycles.
What it actually means is, don’t put weak men in charge.
How is this a metaphor for “don’t put weak men in charge”??
Because they create bad times? How is this a fucking difficult concept?
Bad people create bad times, it’s pretty simple.
People might consider Jimmy Carter a “soft man,” but did he “create bad times”?
Those people are not defining ‘soft’ correctly, then. Also the original expression isn’t “soft”, it’s “weak”.
Sure, Carter might not have had muscles, but only a vile piece of trash would call him weak.
Edit: Interesting how you edited your post to read very different after my response… Almost like you realize you were spouting shit at first.
So you think saying “x causes y” directly is a metaphor for “x causes y, so dont do x”. Huh. What do you think a metaphor is?
Stupid men like oversimplified phrases that make themselves think they’re better than others.
are they even better than others, by their own logic? they make it sound like a natural cycle, where the hard/softness of people is a natural consequence of the times which made them. the times are just a natural consequence of the hardness of the people.
with this framework, if times are bad right now, that can’t be some great moral failing, after all the people allegedly responsible, did not chose to make them so, and anyway, the times will get good again soon enough, … and then go bad again. it might just suck to live through the hard times.
Yeah. Gotta wonder what all their fuss is about.
smart tech makes dumb people, dumb people make dumb tech, dumb tech makes smart people, smart people make smart tech.
… i like this oversimplification, and can contrive calling myself smart from it.
so i must be a stupid.
wise tech makes wise people, wise people make wise tech.
IS THAT A RAINBOW IN THEIR PFP? DID GRINDR GO WOKE???
Equal opportunity sodomy imposed.
How shocking!
Bad men good times make hard men. Good times make men hard make soft men. Soft good men make men man men.
Time good bad times. We need men men men.
make men man men
That’s a good one 🤣
Ignoring for a moment that apparently women don’t exist in that world, even the premise doesn’t hold: Bad times don’t make hard people, bad times make sick, malnourished, badly educated and/or desperate people, none of which is conductive to making the proposed following of the good times.
If any of that were true, the good times in the so called first world should’ve made their peoples so soft compared to the hard peoples that should’ve been created literally everywhere else that the last 300 years of war or so should’ve ended very differently.
It’s a racist propaganda trope that harkens back to ancient Rome where senators decried the “soft” Roman lifestyle compared to the “hard” germanic tribes and has gathered connotations of blood-and-earth (“Blut und Boden”, no idea how thats translated) and other unsavory shit in the meantime.
I like to call it the “Fremen Mirage” after the awesome blog collection of a historian I very much like: https://acoup.blog/2020/01/17/collections-the-fremen-mirage-part-i-war-at-the-dawn-of-civilization/
Props to grindr for judo-ing this pile of worms to a place the original poster presumably wouldn’t have liked very much
I love that blog. It’s written in such a thorough yet accessible manner that I’ve actually sent that particular post to a friend with whom I was arguing about this with
Most of what makes these “bad times”, involves the existence of massive dickheads like Laurence Fox, who think that strength is the same as bigotry.
Why is GrinderUS named GrinderUK?
listen up libruls, i beat my entire family so they can be MANLY
my wife left and took the kids
That’s hard, man.
“GrindrUK” “@GrindrUS”
Reminder that Laurence Fox is a classist, racist, Covid-denying, bigoted, moron that even the majority of the British right wing ignore as too far gone.
Is there an echo in here??
Did anybody ever respond to him? I don’t see anything highlighted so I don’t think so
Nothing yet, will keep you posted
I think we’re all just having a discussion about how to help him. Such a delicate soul.
This is patently inaccurate. If anything, bad times make soft men, in many of us desperate crave someone to protect us, with whom we feel safe to be soft with. And then, of course, soft men makes hard men
most of the 20th century dictators were men “made” by bad times. explain this sherlock.
I think the sticking point would be the “hard [people] make good times” assertion. Hard (read: traumatized) people tend to be assertive and aggressive in positions of leadership. While that certainly can create change for the better, that change is far from guaranteed.
Trauma’s no magic wand that makes people hard. It’s not always true that what does not kill you makes you stronger.
So… we are in bad times… and bad times make hard men… and “we need MEN”… and grindr’s going to make men hard…
Just trying to follow the logic…
