This has been up for 17 hours and the mods haven’t done shit. disgraceful

While stuff like that sucks it’s not quite comparable to what trans people go through.

Haha no :P

While some of those came about through socialist revolutions they were hijacked by the military who retained the socialist rhetoric. The actual state that followed the revolutions were never socialist, they were at best military dictatorships with some social policies comparable to social democracies.

The USSR is interesting as it was a planned economy. The others are just state capitalist however.

You should read about the revolutions and how they failed! It was never the socialism itself that failed, because it was never implemented in the first place! That’s the difficult part.

In general the more egalitarian the system the more obstacles to implement as those who own things have less incentives to implement it (and will do whatever they can to squash it or redirect it). It’s not coincidence that liberalism came about only after we got capitalists and a sizeable middle class. We ddin’t get democracy because it is a good system, we got it because it was a way for capitalists and the middle class to gain political power. With socialism there is no upper class that will support the revolution, no businesses or government will be on our side because it directly threatens them.

We have a word for those who claim they are a socialist yet support the states you mentioned. We call them tankies. Socialists and anarchists despise them because they are in many ways just like fascists, yet they try to worm their way into our spaces.

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I think that utopian socialism is beautiful, but it doesn’t take into account human behaviors like greed, hate, rancor, etc

It specifically does! Also utopian socialism is not a thing these days!

Wasn’t really ever worth it. There has been calculable dehumanization, exploitation, and genocides all in the name of profit and efficiency. The quality of life going up for some of us in some parts (which is largely because of unions anyways) should not excuse the harm that capitalism has done and continues to do.

As you say, the incentives in the system are not towards a prosperous and stable society, but towards maximizing how much you can squeeze out of people.

So in my opinion it was never worth it is essentially what I’m saying.

Yes.

As others have mentioned democratic socialism is a form of socialism.

Socialism is a society where people own and run things together, without capitalism or feudalism or whatever. It is the idea that everyone should own their workplace and their home, either directly or through a state/community they own with everyone else in it. The spirit of socialism is removing all exploitative systems in favor of cooperative solutions. It would mean no renting out locales or apartments, and no bosses (as in owners) etc. There is also this idea that capital and currency should not be a thing as it tends to quickly go into the hands of a few over time, and so we are therefore often in favor of other systems of distributing goods.

Social democracy is liberalism (a form of capitalism) but with social safety nets and systems to limit the harm that capitalism can do, such as strong unions and labor laws. Originally social democracy was implemented by socialists who wanted to slowly bring about socialism, but it has mellowed out a lot and now it’s just what you and I describe.

Edit: I feel I should mention that social democracy is generally considered to be in decline. Union participation is down, things are being privatized, labor laws revoked. The socially democratic parties have not just mellowed out it seems, but have drifted right. They often seem more concerned with maintaining the status quo than with improving society.

This is democratic socialism. Allow capitalism, but keeping extremes in check, while providing a safety net.

I see americans saying this fairly often, but what you describe is social democracy, not democratic socialism

They chose this topic because it is divisive. If we drop out of sports they will simply find another arena of life to eject us from. It’s not about sports for right wing politicians and interest groups, but about getting conservatives engaged in bigotry against us so they become angry and polarized and vote for bigoted parties.

We can never make them happy with our behavior because our behavior doesn’t matter. The narrative they weave around us matters to them, not reality.

objectively

• https://www.forbes.com/sites/lindseyedarvin/2024/04/25/transgender-athletes-could-be-at-a-physical-disadvantage-new-research-shows/
• https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/11/577.full?ijkey=yjlCzZVZFRDZzHz&keytype=ref

There are very few studies on the topic. Do not reply to this comment as we will not allow a debate on this very divisive topic quite literally designed to use transphobia for political gain by the right.

I will say this: It’s possible trans women have some advantages, and it’s also possible we have disadvantages. Either way in reality there has not been any issues of trans women infiltrating sports and ruining it in any way. Until there is more data debating our participation in sports is not worthwhile. Remember that this topic is being pushed by lobby organizations specifically because it gets people riled up.

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I can confirm that I am me!

I think the problem is that nothing in the image alludes to cigarettes, while there are clearly references to queerness, so we just see the slur in huge letters and then two sentences that don’t provide any context or mean much on their own.

You ever been on an instance that doesn’t have their own rules?

Edit: And it’s hardly flipping our shit to ban people who dehumanize us or spread anti trans propaganda.

I’ll take your word for it! I’m from the wrong continent, but I’ve heard tales of these strange and wondrous locations

I recommend https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/ Cozy queer instance with quick moderation, and open to allies as well

Ah, yeah, we do block instances. Only transphobic ones or ones that don’t moderate however.

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/

You don’t get the point of the instance. That sports thing is deliberately pushed by the alt right because it gets people riled up, it was literally a non issue until they started bringing it up (and lying about it, making it seem like a bigger issue than it really is). There are not a lot of trans women and we largely don’t compete at a professional level. We have to keep hearing this tired old debate over and over, and so on blåhaj, which is supposed to be a safe space, we simply ban all alt right rhetoric targeting us rather than engage in it.

Do you know how often someone shows up and randomly brings up some unrelated alt right talking point? In an unrelated post? Yeah this is not us being sensitive, this is other people not understanding what it means to be a minority being specifically targeted to create engagement. We can’t all expend all of our energy all of the time to rebuke every single argument. That effort would legitimately be inhuman

Yeah. Before I started using lemmy and matrix more I was on discord a lot, and some of the mods there are rather shitty I have to say. Many even think they are allies despite allowing and defending all sorts of transphobic rhetoric like AGP etc.

Blåhaj has been such a relief in that sense. The only instance I know for sure has my back 100%. No “allies” telling me what is and is not transphobic

The workers have no meaningful power or ownership over their workplaces, so it doesn’t matter how much is publicly owned. I personally will never accept the marxist redefinition of socialism, nor will I ever accept an authoritarian vanguard state.

I do not want to continue this debate, tankie. It’s never productive for anyone.

They are not socialist in the slightest. That requires the workers to own the means of production, which they do not.

Edit: To expand on this companies are organized the same way as in capitalism because they are capitalist. Workers at the bottom, management in the middle, and rich capitalists at the top.