Everything else aside… What the fuck is so urgent about cutting down forests that you need a emergency order to green-light it?
Nothing. The “emergency order” is entirely so he doesn’t have to go through Congress to do it.
“I can do anything I want if it’s an emergency!”
Dang i wonder if we can find example of emergency powers eroding democracy in the past now…
Not from a jedi…
“And I get to say when it’s an emergency!”
Quickly becoming his go to play. It’s how he pushed through tariffs and how he was able to auto deport all those people. There’s probably more that I’m unaware of but the amount of national emergencies the man has declared so far is kinda crazy
But does this type of EO have legal backing?
It’s kind of a case by case basis is my understanding. The president does have pretty broad emergency powers but the courts can block any individual one if they feel it’s overstepping.
Building “freedom cities” for billionaires, maybe. In his '23 announcement, it specifically stated:
Freedom Cities will be built on federal land that is undeveloped and not part of any of our country’s magnificent national parks or other natural treasures.
Which I assume means they’ll be built on your parks?
(for anyone scrolling past like, “wtf are freedom cities” - it’s feudalism. The Company Town. Literally lords and serfs type shit. Plenty of good places to read more about it, but here’s one to start.)
Almost like they’re fully comforatble with reckless corruption.
They are fully comfortable with reckless profits. Corruption is just the price to pay.
Perhaps to mitigate the repercussions from tariffs on lumber from Canada. We saw a bailout for farmers impacted by his previous tariffs, the administration may actually believe the national forests can save Trump from the consequences of his actions.
Maybe because the dumb fuck instituted tariffs that makes lumber prohibitively expensive? I don’t know. Nothing makes any fucking sense anymore.
Have to urgently circumvent Congress.
What the fuck is so urgent about cutting down forests that you need a emergency order to green-light it?
Replacing timber we previously got from Canada before the screaming from the industries that use lumber that is now tariffed gets too loud.
I don’t know enough about those industries to know if it’ll work, though.
I don’t think we have the sawmill capacity.
Millions of prisoners with hand tools can do that job.
and its the forests timber is not even good quality too.
probably something to distract the masses, from all the federal cuts, and tariffs from the news,
trump… Ensureing America has no future
What’s the emergency? Climate change isn’t catastrophic enough yet?
It’s so the US can build more vacant houses.
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While we all ignored our local and county elections, while we ignored our neighborhoods and “avoided conflict” by only attacking other leftists for not being pure enough
there are plenty of blue states, blue counties, etc. this sure as hell isn’t an ‘all of us’ problem.
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Do you know why greece is so barren? Because in antiquity they chopped all the trees for their navy
Once again, we find out most of the past presidents just obeyed decorum and norms… Did no one consider that a bad-faith president would just say, "uh…‘EMERGENCY!’ " then he’s allowed to bypass Congress and just do whatever the fuck he wants!?
There are 3 powers here supposed to balance:
- the president
- the houses
- the supreme court
Guess who scored all of them?
Incidentally this is the reason the judiciary power in other democracies is self governed (e.g., judges elect their own supreme court) and parties in the judiciary are forbidden
But… well… here we are 🤷♂️
Afaik congress could stop him, revoking his “emergency tariff powers” and revoking the emergency itself. But they won’t. Like Trump, they only seek power.
Yeah, these Republicans are absolute enablers. It’s pathetic…
We need to start using the right words.
They aren’t just enablers.
They are traitors.
This needs to be turned against him. Obviously through the courts would be ideal. But at least in terms of the media juxtaposing his emergency declarations with his golfing.
Hey, that’s emergency golfing to you, buddy!
Break in and plant trees all over the fairway and turn the green into a pond.
18 times.
On all his golf courses.
No, not against just him, against the entire party supporting him.
Also that the emergency has been created by him ergo not really an emergency
We went over this with bush 2 and decided the answer is basically yes. Otherwise it’d be letting the terrorists win
In 200 years people will ask in disbelief why such old forests were logged down.
IM ASKING THAT NOW!!
We know why. Because Trump sees no value in anything beyond being right. He is right to tariff Canada, because the Canadians are mean. And he is right to have national parks stripped bare, because Canada is tariffed. It’s just flawless logic. /s
That’s if the planet survives till then, which at the rate things are going no way we make it that long
The planet will be just fine. I’d wager that life will continue, the earth will still be filled with living creatures for a long time to come.
It just won’t include us. Or most of the things we care about.
I feel bad for all the creatures that we will be taking down with us.
The planet will survive. Humans may not survive, but I’m no longer so sure that’s a bad thing…
Check out where our forests were at at the end of the 1800’s. 90% of the trees in Michigan were gone. All current forests are new growth and under 150 years old here in Michigan.
In 200 years, humans will be extinct.
An optimist in our midst
I don’t think we have much of any old growth forests left even before this honestly.
mostly the pacific northwest. where also the giant and coastal redwood is.
The answer is because patriots aren’t willing to defend them by force.
Please stop spouting this propaganda. We have less than 2 decades of western white civilisation left. Other continents far less. It’s not helpful and it propagates this hopium and drives people to complacency.
E: your downvotes are as futile as the hopium propaganda. Truth hurts, but sets you free.
Damn, that bait is so obvious, a newborn fish just looked at me like I was crazy for thinking it would fall for it.
Fuck, some of that will be last remaining old growth, forever lost
That includes almost all remaining old growth forests. Almost all of the areas he chose are old growth forests. Here’s a map of all remaining old growth forests in the US for comparison.
I think I see some exploitation of fewer forestry service members now too.
how does Alaska have so little old growth forest?
I imagine it’s hard for forests to grow in such a climate
I’ve been wondering the same thing ever since seeing the map.
I’m guessing ‘old growth’ in this map means like 80 year forests or something. I’m extremely skeptical that this much forest was never logged.
No. You’d be surprised. Old growth specifically means forests where the trees are older than 200 years on average. If you include mature forests, which are defined as 80-200 years old on average, the amount of forest becomes much larger.
But also consider how much there used to be, and how much disappeared. The US was the first place in the world to really add forest protections. Theodore Roosevelt alone set aside over 150 million acres as national forests at the turn of the 20th century. We’re insanely lucky that happened. I’ve been lucky enough to have traveled to and seen national forests in almost every US state. It makes me die inside knowing they might get cut down now.
It’s an emergency!! We need lumber for… Things. Quick!
Shipping it to Gaza to build his casinos, resorts and condos for his Russian buddies. Israel is just about done genociding so the shipments have to start soon.
The Gaza Riviera.
I wouldn’t go anywhere near it. Those luxury condos, resorts, hotels, and casinos that Kushner has been negotiating for since immediately after Oct 7, are going to be prime targets for terrorism for YEARS, and I won’t be sorry about it at all.
The entire region is going to be a heavily militarized zone. That’s a fun vacation.
Time for this guy to get taken out…of office.
I really hope to see him buried soon.
Under massive voter disapproval polls and impeachment proceedings.
To quote local shitstain Mike Davis, who was SUPER TOTALLY JUST JOKING “I want to drag their dead political bodies through the streets, burn them, and throw them off the wall.” Which, you know, same to you buddy.
It’s cool it’s OK when he says it.
2024 cost US 500 billion in hurricane costs. and how to you counter that, plant more trees not cut them down. he is the biggest clown in human history
It’s crazy how republicans are framing cutting down forests as a “good way to prevent arsons”
“Emergency orders” designed to protect this country in case we’re attacked are being used by presidents to sidestep the constitutional as it regards separation of powers. It’s about time this shit came to an end also.
If everything is an emergency then nothing is our you simply cannot govern.
I guess America needed a declaration of emergency in domestic timber supply, caused by the declaration of an emergency of having friends as trading partners for timber 🦫…
So many emergencies - we’re being attacked on all sides… by industrialists.
How are Congress and Senate okay with just being made completely redundant? Don’t they have at least a modicum of professional pride?
Apparently none whatsoever.
When the Ents had reduced a large part of the southern walls to rubbish, and what was left of his people had bolted and deserted him, Saruman fled in a panic. He seems to have been at the gates when we arrived: I expect he came to watch his splendid army march out. When the Ents broke their way in, he left in a hurry. They did not spot him at first. But the night had opened out, and there was a great light of stars, quite enough for Ents to see by, and suddenly Quickbeam gave a cry “The tree-killer, the tree-killer!” Quickbeam is a gentle creature, but he hates Saruman all the more fiercely for that: his people suffered cruelly from orc-axes. He leapt down the path from the inner gate, and he can move like a wind when he is roused. There was a pale figure hurrying away in and out of the shadows of the pillars, and it had nearly reached the stairs to the tower-door. But it was a near thing. Quickbeam was so hot after him, that he was within a step or two of being caught and strangled when he slipped in through the door.
I love that this map still has the Gulf of Mexico.
I hate that this will be done to our national forests. They’re a natural treasure and should be protected for so many reasons.
Has anyone actually done the co2 math and the amount of other gases we have to reverse?
It will blow your mind. Dont look up.
Basically everything we have ever consumed for carbonous goods or fuel sources has to be reversed.
That’s because we are a part of nature and we leave footprints like everything else. Change isn’t bad, in fact it’s a good thing. It’s why things evolve. The problem is the velocity of change is too fast for other parts of our ecosystem to keep up. It’s like catching a ball. Every little bit counts.
