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Dear all, please remember that engaging with trolls can get you banned (rule of thumb, half the time the offender gets for themselves)
Write what you want others to read, I don’t care if there are disagreements. But go get a private chat room if you want to exchange insults with them :)
sanctioning foss is dumb as fuck.
Complying with international sanctions is so dumb amirite.
stifling cooperation for a war completely unrelated to linux is so dumb, yes.
more so when “international” here means mostly western interests.
Laws don’t matter if you don’t believe in them amirite.
your flaky laws make the move any smarter?
They expect the special operation to take only a month.
Developers mysteriously pushed
throughto Windows.That’s also US controlled.
I guest some sort of custom BSD?
Is anyone using BSD as a desktop by the way? Ive only been focusing on Linux.
Very few
Honestly I don’t see much point in BSD. Weak licensing and the BSDs are all different. Wayland and systemd are probably nails in the coffin as neither of them will ever work on BSD.
systemd maybe, but people are already running Wayland on FreeBSD and OpenBSD
The thing is, there is no way for the US and British to swoop in and declare unlimited military support for the opposing side in exchange for mineral rights and financial predation on its industry and state assets.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
Oh, was I the one who brought up the war in Ukraine over Linux? No, that was Reddit brigaders infecting every topic they mentally associate with it, as usual.
Sir, this is a Kernel. This is not the United Nations.
Sir, this is a Lemmy.
Sir, this is a Kernel discussion on a Mastodon instance wearing a trenchcoat.
The real challenge facing a kremlin linux fork isn’t opposition, it’s deciding what to do once they realize there aren’t any maternity wards in the kernel they can shoot ballistic missiles at.
I think you’re confusing with israel.
Oh first the Russian government is the one responsible for the fork itself, now suddenly they are shooting missiles at it in your mind. The liberal brainpan is a fascinating place.
I think you may have misread the message you replied to. The message you replied to was implying the Russians wouldn’t know how to deal with the kernel because they can’t shoot missiles at it. That’s the opposite of what your reply implies.
It’s a Linux fork.
That’s what I’m saying, associating it with the SMO is just liberal Russiagate brainworms manifesting over every issue related to the country. I wasn’t the one to bring it up.
This is a thread about a Russian fork of Linux.
Yes, and if Russia is solely defined by the war in Ukraine to you, you don’t even understand how their government works. It’s pure jingoism. Are these people who decided they are Linux superfans the day that Russian maintainers were kicked out so comfortable with the idea that only Western governments should invest in open source technologies? This kind of thing should become a public utility.
It’s funny because it’s not a realistic expectation.
We discussed that “expectation” already, and how hopes of diplomacy with Ukraine evaporated officially with Boris Johnson’s visit. Of course, behind the scenes it was already hopeless since 2014. They just took time to prepare for sanctions.
Rather than discussing the prospect of the development of Linux as a public utility by a diverse array of nations and groups, you show up to cheerlead for western tech monopolies and the intellectual apparatus. You jeer. You hoot. You’ve got your burger in hand.
Every accusation is a confession, as per standard procedure.
Like many things in Russia, the appearance is more important than the truth. If there were anything substantial made, I’m sure there will one or more soy agencies helping to pad a developer’s savings.
I’m sorry is there anything in your brain other than slop from Google News? You see the word Russia and you start writing fanfiction!
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remember the news article I won’t source
Nope, people can’t read your mind.
Some things cannot be taught, but absorbed through the pores. Some views are etched early on
You have some personal issues to discover and resolve. I wish you luck undoing your idealistic devotion to Culturalist thinking.
I tried to delete that before you replied, if you don’t know then you don’t know. But my example is solid. Many great people in Russia though, not disrespecting that but only the system instead .
Life imitated art and I expect the western counties to catch up later
Russia doesn’t have some kind of transcendental national character. There are very particular and specific holdovers from the USSR, but the Russian Federation should never be treated as a direct parallel to the USSR.
Go for it. That’s one of the benefits of being FOSS, and other countries have their own versions of Linux already (that meet whatever dumb authoritarian rules are required).
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Clearly best downstream of Fedora comrade. Complete with open source anti capitalist technology to save your eyes from
the truththe totally inferior OS of the west.you have to make your own distro from scratch
I don’t think you know how this works lol
I’m pretty sure Android isn’t North Korea.
Although what do I know.
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A national fork? In Russia?
Sometimes the jokes write themselves.
It would be “interesting” at best.
Why should this be different than the US or EU funding open source, either directly or through universities, corporations, and NGOs that often intersect with the military “industrial” financial complex?
Try to explain why it’s different rather than pointing to their nationality and going “well, see???”
Because Russia is under sanctions. They would have to take everything into there own hands which means they would basically have a separate project.
they would basically have a separate project.
That’s what a fork is. Happens all the time.
It really doesn’t happen all the time. It is pretty rare for a fork to be successful especially if most of the development is still happening on the original project. I don’t see Russia having much success with this.
Oh sure we agree then, was just minigun full auto posting. It’s going to be completely separate from the financial system that has most open source development under its thumb, I find that exciting.
Ok, that was always allowed!
I wonder what they’ll call it. Will they keep the “Linux” name?
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Can I have the shittiest stock meme phrase you have?
…no that’s too shitty.
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Why not just use Red Star Linux? I thought Jong Un and Vlad were besties.
Well to be pedantic, Red Star is a custom DE on top of Linux, not a kernel
Okay then, that was always allowed
Yeah this is called blowback, like with the chip sanctions, like with industrial and natural resource sanctions. Trying to besiege economies that industrially dwarf the US will make R&D spending skyrocket in the targeted states, and the remaining irreplacable western monopolies will suffer for it, US NGO+academic+corporate domination of the open source scene is something that every gadget using or programming person should hope goes away.
Lemmy.ml radiation is leaking again
If you want an echo chamber that repeats Wikipedia and Google News slop back to you, Reddit is down the hall and to the right.
Nah thinking that Russia gonna somehow grow using inexistent money for R&D and compete with US(?) Is pretty moronic also calling them forking the kernel as “blowback” it was clear for everyone that they would do that, except Lemmy.ml I guess, so yes I like my echo chamber of less delusional people
It’s ‘nonexistent’, and if you think that software development is fundamentally out of reach for financial reasons you have no idea how either their finances or open source development operates. Besides, shouldn’t you be talking about how they will need to rely on the Perfidious Chinese? No you just can’t even imagine poorer countries having hardware or developers.
You really show your inferiority complex by relying on jingoism, not just nationally, but to the point of trying to turn ActivityPub homeservers into an upvote gang turf war. Just discuss what is happening and try not to get too worked up over taking in explanations.
If you’ve ignored how many industries the US has fallen out of competition with internationally, then I could see being surprised by this. Semiconductors are a lot more challenging than software R&D and both China and Russia have rapidly overtaken the US market for low end chips, they will now own the market for chips for appliances and military hardware until the US system stops being a financial racket (not soon LOL). India has no problem getting into packaging and testing of chips and software development, they haven’t scratched the surface of nuclear or semiconductors like China and Russia. You just don’t pay much attention.
God, did I started a discussing with ChineseGPT 💀
See, you can’t refute anything I’m saying. It’s pure jingoism all the way down. Everyone you disagree with is a foreign enemy and a robot.
So is lemmy.ml, plenty of echoing going on there
“Waaaah this website has opinions I don’t like”
You can’t contradict anything I am saying.
I don’t need to deny anything you are saying, I just get to stop interacting with an obvious troll from an instance that spawns people like you.
People think your “Russia has the low-end chip manufacturing market cornered” argument is not backed by evidence.
They took my third party apps. I’m here now.
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Reddit refugees
Calling them refugees is an insult to actual refugees.
One thing neo-liberals and dictator loving pretend-communists agree on: Reddit is a cesspool.
My god what an embarrassing take
And yet you can’t summon even the slightest opposition to the take, only whine about how you don’t think it should exist.
Your take needs evidence to prove that Russia indeed has the low-end chip market captured.
Wow sounds like great news for Russia and a huge win for them then, I’m sure their internet trolls are supporting this decision instead of crying about it all over the internet, right??
Pick GDP, manufacturing output or whatever metric and look it up: Russia is not even close to the US. China is the one playing in the same league as the Americans.
As for open source being dominated by the US, the stats for Linux development don’t give that portrait at all.
I dunno about all that… but I guess it’s a positive that you’re at least acknowledging that this is about sanctions and not racism or some other stupid bullshit.
Sputnix.
BRICS Linux.
BRINUCS
regardless, a country should maintain their own fork regardless if its being used for government computers.
As lower income economies develop more tech there will be more public open source initiatives like in the EU, but with a decidedly different focus.
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Russian doctrine hasn’t evolved past Soviet era, why should our jokes? What’s air defense doing by the way? Oil fields and refineries and storage facilities just keep exploding.
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Oh man I fucking called this one, as soon as I read that article a few days ago saying that the Russian maintainers were removed from the kernel, I’m like man if Russia was smart right now they would do a country-funded version, this is completely legal as well under the licensing of the current kernel.
It will last a month before they realize it is really dumb
Honestly I started writing a comment asking why it was dumb, and started writing points why it would be good, then came to the same conclusion that it was dumb. The amount of money they would have to put in to make it good is more than they can afford.
'Cos all kernel contributors are paid…?
Well yea, if the government is running it, they’ll probably pay them?
Also many of the regular kernel contributors are paid because they work for a company that hired them to do it
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I would be very surprised if such a fork would diverge from Linux. I would guess that this would be little more than a branch with (most likely) support for Russian hardware. Just my hunch.
A legitimate hard fork doesn’t seem particularly smart to me, but what do I know…
It’s not about a divergent featureset, it’s about making sure Russian businesses can continue to legally use Linux if the US decides to make that the next step
“I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, Rus/GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Russian Federation plus GNU plus Linux minus Linus.”
In Russia, Linux forks you!
