• kjo@discuss.tchncs.de
        10·
        2 years ago

        What does “material analysis” means in this context? What should I search to know more? I searched the term and only came up with chemistry topics.

        • Sagittarii@lemm.ee
          21·
          2 years ago

          Simply put, materialism — as opposed to idealism — is the idea that everything we do and experience as a society (our history, culture, politics, etc) is shaped by the material reality around us, rather than ideas.

          “Material analysis” in this case therefore means analysing politics and history through this lens. And it’s a fundamental component of socialism/marxism.

          Simple diagram of how our material reality shapes our society

          ⠀

          Yogthos is insulting liberals because liberalism is an idealist ideology that always eventually gives way to fascism when a capitalist state is (inevitably) in decay.

          • kjo@discuss.tchncs.de
            5·
            2 years ago

            Thank you for the explanation. Hopefully I learn something from the reference you linked. I’ll watch the video first before reading the literatures.

          • kjo@discuss.tchncs.de
            5·
            2 years ago

            Thank you for taking the time to explain the topic to me. I appreciate it. I’ll try to read the book.

          • GiveMemes@jlai.lu
            26·
            2 years ago

            You’re very good at strawmanning arguments. I think most libs would just say that racism and xenophobia are inherent to tribalism, which is inherent to the human mind as an evolutionary trait. It can and should be overcome, but that doesn’t change its innateness in our psyche.

              • GiveMemes@jlai.lu
                11·
                2 years ago

                I never said anything about human nature. If you’re interested in reading more I replied to another comment on this thread.

              • GiveMemes@jlai.lu
                11·
                2 years ago

                You’re strawmanning my argument. I never said anything about human nature. I said that tribalism, as a psychological principle, is inherent to humanity.

                Here is an article which details some studies supporting this concept from a pop-sci website:

                https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/brain-reboot/202307/the-neuroscience-of-tribalism

                Also, for somebody apparently on the side of historical evidence you seem to be ignoring the mountains of genocides and racially-based conflicts throughout our species’ history.

                I’m not saying racism is good. I’m saying that every time we see fascists come to power they have roughly a third of the population that supports them… is that just a coincidence or could there be a reason that the data is the same every time? I posit the reason that the data is the same every time is due, at least in large part, to human psychology.

                Besides that, let’s take this outside the concept of liberalism and capitalism, as race-based conflicts and genocides have occurred long before the creation of capitalist or liberal systems, which are truly an advent of the modern era.

        • ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml
          7·
          2 years ago

          Material analysis is an analysis using the method of dialectical materialism and historical materialism.

          To put in in a grossly oversimplified way, one of the most important concepts of dialectical materialism is that ideas aren’t independent from society. Peoples don’t pull ideas out of some Platonist void, their ideas are shaped by and consequences of the society and material conditions they live in.

          For example, writing didn’t appear just because some guy one day said “what if we drew funny shapes in clay and pretended the shapes are words?”. When the first human societies started accumulating reserves of food, lumber, domestic animals and materials and to exchange these with other groups of humans, keeping track of everything was becoming a problem. The first writing systems were invented as a way to solve that problem, they figured out that by associating each resource with a symbol they could easily keep track of what they had and how much of it they had.

          The same logic apply to fascism. Fascism didn’t appear because some guy woke up one day and decided to be an asshole for no,reason. As the contradictions of capitalism worsened (contradictions are also a concept from dialectical materialism btw), peoples were becoming radicalized against capitalism and the bourgeoisie which created the threat of a potential revolution overthrowing capitalism, in order to protect capitalism from that threat, the petty bourgeoisie tried to hide the class struggle between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat by fabricating a fake struggle against a group of the proletariat (typically a “race”) that they could point to to divert attention from the class struggle.

          This is what is meant in this context. Since liberalism is the main ideology of capitalism, when the contradictions of capitalism inevitably makes everything break down, liberals will either be radicalized to the left and stop being liberals, or defend capitalism to the end by slipping more and more to the right until they become indistinguishable from fascists.

            • ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml
              4·
              2 years ago

              Yes but not only, small business owners, small landlords and “casual traders” who own some stocks but not enough to be considered rich or have influence in the company the stocks are from are also part of the petty bourgeoisie.

              Generally, the petty bourgeoisie are peoples who technically own means of productions and may even have a few employee working for them, but don’t make quite enough from that to not have to work anymore. They are constantly under the threat of being out-competed by larger businesses, especially corporations owned by the high bourgeoisie, and becoming a proletarian.

              Basically, they are the subclass at the boundary between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. They are better off than the proletariat and own means of production and private property but are under constant threat to lose these privileges and become part of the proletariat, especially in time of crisis.

              They are the source of the overwhelming majority of fascists as I’ve said, because they still benefit from capitalism and generally aspire to become part of the high bourgeoisie even tough they are very much the underdogs. The bourgeois state will intentionally let fascism grow unopposed so that if the bourgeoisie feels their privileges are threatened by working class movements, they can give power to the fascists who will crackdown on the proletariat and protect the capitalist system from being overthrown.

  • xor@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    145·
    2 years ago

    If they’re exclusively supporting the right wing candidate, they’re not a centrist, then

  • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
    6·
    2 years ago

    At this point, “centrist” is slang for, “I want to argue for what I believe in under the guise of being the ‘Devils advocate’”.

  • HowMany@lemmy.mldeleted by creator
    61·
    2 years ago

    Fascists are ‘centrists’ regardless how it’s spun.

  • cRazi_man@lemm.ee
    1318·
    2 years ago

    Aren’t there dedicated communities for political memes? I blocked those for a reason. Why is more and more politics bleeding over to here?

  • supertrucker@lemmy.mlBannedEnglish
    210·
    2 years ago

    Let’s hear what a bunch of leftists who think that you can have a functional democracy when everyone thinks exactly the way they do lecture everyone on why political extremisn is a good idea,then start crying when they realize that the only way they can achieve their political paradise is for them to act like the very nazis they claim to despise

    • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
      2·
      2 years ago

      “leftists” just want their population to be fairly represented. The system that we have now gives significantly more power to people who live in the right places.

      These places are all away from densely populated areas (which are, coincidentally, the areas that are contributing the most to our GDP, also where the highest wages are and thus where the biggest chunk of taxes are collected)

      What we are well on our way to, is a tyranny of the minority, and you sound like you’re applauding it. As if that is somehow better for everyone than majority rule, or even the stalemate we have now.

      Yeah, we want a functional democracy where not everyone, but at least the majority, thinks the same way…and also runs under the direction of a majority. You know, like a democracy should.

      What we have now is a dysfunctional democracy…one which runs counter to what the majority are thinking.

  • BurningnnTree@lemmy.oneEnglish
    614·
    2 years ago

    I can’t tell if this is a liberal or conservative meme, since both sides call the other side fascist.

  • Greg Clarke@lemmy.caEnglish
    827·
    2 years ago

    Wingers both left and right need to get out of their bubbles. Wingers have no idea what their opposition believe. And attacking centrists is an silly approach to further you’re cause. They’re literally the people you should be engaging with instead of producing bubbled memes like this.