INFO!!! fairphone DOES SUPPORT CUSTOM ROMS!!!
i like the idea of a fairphone. i dun wana buy one tho - if it doesn hav the features i need/wan.
if fairphone had all dis stuff - it would hav a genuine moat, besides the sustainability stff-
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Fairphone has sources available for it and an unlockable bootloader. There are nightly builds of Lineage already available for the FP6
postmarketOS also has rudimentary support for the FP6
For the uninitiated, does this mean 1 complaint listed in the post isn’t true?
Yes and OP seems to have added that info in the description
I don’t fully understand this “I won’t buy a fairphone, because it doesn’t have a audio jack” way of thinking. Are there any phones that actually has a jack and still gets updates?
I agree it would be a nice feature, but the few I have spoken to, whom actually complain about this, has ended up buying another phone that IMO is worse and also has no jack.
I’m just confused, not trying to be negative or mean towards anyone.
I’m writing this comment on a Oneplus 6, which has a headphone jack. Since I’m using PostmarketOS on this sucker, I also get all up-to-date packages and kernel. 😎️
What you daily drive postmarket OS?
How is it for daily use?
Depends what you need on a daily basis. GPS does not work, even if it did, I have never gotten routing to work correctly in Pure maps. The photos are cropped-in, have a green tinge, and a faint blocky pattern mixed in, on the one back camera that works. You need to open an overlay that gives you a slider to control focus and exposure, since IIRC that stuff is not in the gnome camera app. The front camera is completely pink. No suspend, since the phone will not unsuspend for sms and phone calls. Firefox on a mobile screen is also pretty sketchy, especially when you start using add-ons.
However, for all those woes, there are some pretty cool advantages (phosh DE on oneplus 6):
- Images in the clipboard
- App overview keeps apps in the same order
- Calendar and ticket box plugins to use in the lock screen.
- Logging into Nextcloud in the settings is all you need for contacts, files, and calendar sync. No dav5x needed like on Android.
- No notification spam from system apps like is default on Android.
- No need to learn new apps, they are the same ones I use on my desktop.
- apk, the alpine package manager, is wicked fast imo
- Most of the apos I use are gtk4, so it’s pretty visually consistent.
Motorola has been keeping models with headphone jacks still in place. I don’t know about all of their models, though, could just be on certain ones.
Was one of the things that pushed me to picking my current phone.
Yes, Asus’ flagship for sure as I’ve had them since most manufacturers removed it. I think there’s a couple of others but I’ve been very happy with the two Asus phones I’ve used for about five years now.
My Xperia has audio jack and SD card slot and still gets updates, and unlockable bootloader for when it doesn’t anymore
Nokia XR20 has a big battery and headphone jack.
I’m still using a galaxy S10 specifically because there aren’t any phones on the market that have a headphone jack that I like.
It has 512gb storage, 6gb ram, removable sim and expandable storage. Just replaced the battery off ifixit. Only issue is no eSIM support for international travel but that’s a small price to pay.
How do you get updates?
Same way still. Samsung is a bit slower in rolling them out to older phones generally but that’s almost a good thing with all of the AI pushes and unnecessary bloat
When I was shopping for a new phone I checked what models could run custom mods and had > 5 years of support. I came up with Fairphone and Pixel. Neither had jack, dual sim or SD card. Fairphone was about 2x more expensive. It was a simple choice. Now, if Fairphone would have a dual sim and a jack I would have probably paid extra.
Is dual sim a must or is esim an option? I use 2 sims, but it’s 1 regular and 1 esim.
If esim isn’t an option. I would like to learn why
Maybe prepaid sims purchased with cash? Its a degree of anonymity i guess?
In my previous job they gave a phone for on calls. My phone was dual SIM so I just plugged the work SIM into my phone and didn’t have to carry both phones. Now when I see a dual SIM phone I think “this could come in handy one day” but it’s not a must have for me.
I used to buy LG phones for the headphone jack before they stopped making phones. Now I have a sony xperia 5 iv and they just announced they’re going to stop selling phones in the US… Ugh
My Fairphone 3 has a headphone jack and is running the most recent build of LineageOS, so yeah.
The Sony Xperia 1 VII(totally not a confusing Name) has a headphone jack and get 4years of updates and 6 of security. It is a very niche phone thought but still a flagships. It also has an SD card slot.
Point being there are phones and even high end phones out there that have these features, however it’s rare which sucks
My motorola moto g55 I’m typing this on has updates and a jack
Writing this on a OnePlus Nord CE4 Lite 5G. It’s not an old model, you can still buy them new from the manufacturer with years of updates. It has a 3.5mm jack.
The phone I’m typing this on right now has an audio jack and still gets updates.
It’s so weird, I just don’t get it. Wires are irritating, they get stuck everywhere and transport the sound of them scratching on your clothes which is annoying.
In a perfect world my phone would have the headphone jack but I’d mostly use Bluetooth headphones for exactly that reason.
The only thing that might convince me that phones are more perfect without it would be if it’s hard to make it waterproof with a headphone jack. But they seem to deal with usb c holes and speaker holes fine though, so idk.
Writing this from one of the xiaomi redmi note pro. Up until the 11 pro, all of them had audio jack+microsd+sim slot. (Jack disappeared starting from the 14 pro series) Getting updates monthly from my custom ROM.
newest sony phone does
Fairphone with graphene os and headphone jack would be awesome.
I want a phone completely untouched by Google. No Google hardware, no upstream Google dependencies at all. Hardware that I control and a more “traditional” flavor of Linux with a mobile-native DE.
hopefully that is possible soon. i want it too
Maybe you will find this interesting: https://furilabs.com/shop/flx1/
Btw, umidigis with the same CPU sell for ~145€ on AliExpress. This is just extreme.
I would love to have an immutable easy to upgrade system similar to unblue aurora or bluefin, but based on Postmarket os, but with extra security like SE Linux a proper firewalls flatpak support hardend_memory alloc etc. And also Good container support.
Aswell as a way droid version with a few features of graphene os like per App network toggle aswell as storage and contact scopes Sandboxed Google play etc.
And then with a mix between the Sony Xperia 1 VII and a fairphone 6. Such a phone would be awesome.
On a different note the progress the post market is team is making is really promising who knows maybe Linux on a phone will be daily drivable in a few years.
Also I like your drawings and art style/visualization.
aww thanksies <3 <3 <3 <3
It also needs to be upgradeable between generations like the framework laptops are. If it had that and a headphone jack I would buy one, but without those absolutely not. I’m not willing to pay anywhere near their prices for something I’m still going to have to replace in a few years, and after learning my lesson with my current OnePlus 9 I am absolutely never buying another phone without a headphone jack
I wonder how difficult it would be to make a phone that’s easily upgradable like a desktop. And to install os as easily.
Upgradability should be easy, just keep the connectors and positions the same between generations and there you go.
And for easy OS replacement, just make the SD slot bootable like on the pinephone and then you can boot and install things from there.
Easier said than done. Phones are tiny, so you can’t really fit everything in a modular grid system since things need to overlap, stack, etc… And you can’t just make everything the same size every year because things just physically take up different amounts of room as they change and there isn’t any room to spare for future upgradability. Batteries grow/shrink, cameras get turned into sideways periscopic lenses, fingerprint sensors grow and get placed under screens, etc. You can’t just tack on an sd card reader or ir blaster if there’s no space for it. Not to mention cpus change and you can’t just run everything over pcie and ribbon cables.
Realistically, what would even be upgradable in a phone that wouldn’t require resizing or repositioning internal components?
Battery? We can already do that but manufacturers refuse to in favor of sub-par water resistance and planed obscelesce. Plus, battery tech doesn’t advance quickly enough that you’d get a meaningful capacity boost in the same footprint.
Cpu or ram? Upgrades really won’t make a meaningful difference until your entire phone is old enough that it makes more sense to buy a new one.
Camera? Maybe slightly more useful than upgrading cpu/ram, but cameras are expensive and heavily depend on economies of scale to be as good as they are without costing a fortune.
Also, it’s really easy to break your phone when you open it up, so there’d need to be additional barriers and hardened connectors to make it user friendly, which again takes up precious space.
Just make the phone a brick, you say? That might work…
OS replacement, however, is easy. Just unlock the bootloader, no sd slot needed. Any phone could do it.
There have been companies that tried. It just never went anywhere. Project Ara was probably the most iconic attempt. I wanted it to come out sooooo bad.
Didn’t the fairphone 4 had a camera upgrade at some point?
This is going to get buried, but I’m so glad to see this discussion on our comm!! This is something I’ve tried to bring up among other communities I’m in and it never really gains traction. Almost 100 comments on this is awesome!! Luv y’all very much!
heyhi ~ ~ ~ <3
im also happy this kinda post ig getting traction… i guess i should stick with this much simpler type of post… normally i make them like - suuuuuper colorful which kinda makes them less approachblable… meanwhile this one here looks almost… like advertising…
The design isn’t the reason I like it. I like it because of the issues it relates to and seeing people care about anti-corpo tech. If it was super colorful and chaotic I’d still love it! Keep posting however you want to post Smorty, we love having you 🫂
I feel like most of these are at least misleading if not outright false (or maybe I’m misunderstanding them, so please correct me if I do).
- Allow custom ROMs: It does, and there is even a Google-free variant they sell on their store.
- Dual SIM and SD card slot: There may not be dual slots, but there is Dual SIM (one physical, one eSIM), and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a phone with multiple SD card slots.
- Programmable “moments” button: The button is not programmable per se, but there are different settings to make it do different things.
- No dumb accessories: If you don’t find them useful, don’t buy them?
- Headphone jack: Fair enough, I do miss that one, but the USB-C with an adapter works okay, and I’m still using the same headphones that I’ve used for years.
Headphone jack: Fair enough, I do miss that one, but the USB-C with an adapter works okay, and I’m still using the same headphones that I’ve used for years.
I do this as well, but I would also like to charge the phone while I have my headphones connected to it, and all these additional adapter chains often don’t work very reliable, and are much more cumbersome to deal with.
Dual SIM and SD card slot: There may not be dual slots, but there is Dual SIM (one physical, one eSIM), and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a phone with multiple SD card slots.
Still, I prefer 2 physical slots. Some phones also have Dual SIM + eSIM, where 2 of them can be active at a time.
My current phone has Dual SIM + SD. I have all three populated, on of them with 9esim adapter. Removable eSIM. Easy to replace, and stores multiple profiles.As for the second thing: https://www.androidheadlines.com/2016/01/hands-on-with-the-saygus-v2-smartphone.html
I currently have four eSIMs on my phone. I would love nothing more than to get rid of the last remaining physical SIM.
Ideally, also get rid of the whole slot to improve water resistance.
I would MUCH rather they focus on optimisation and power efficiency. My work iPhone can easily last two days on a single charge, three if I’m not really using it that much, all the while giving me all the processing power I’d need to run high-quality games on it. No Android phones comes anywhere near this and it grinds my gears.
All I’m saying is: different people, different needs.
I currently have 6 eSIMs, but on a removable eUICC. If the phone breaks, I can immediately put it into another phone and use it. Mine even has STK menu for switching and renaming profiles, so it also works in most dumb phones.
Plus all that is free. In my country, eSIM profile download codes are single use, and you pay for them. Swan is €8, O2 €10, Orange €10, only Telekom does it for free.
But yeah, in my case, that could easily mean having to pay upwards of €60 just to put the fucking SIM cards into another phone.Oh, fun fact, I wanted to try one plan at Orange, but screw it. The physical SIM is free, including shipping to home, but for eSIM they wanted €10.25 (while the plan would be €20/mo), and I don’t have empty slots for them.
Meh, average carrier shenanigans. Ereyesterday I wrote to my carrier about being unable to make phone calls, they replied me to call them to “continue the case” after unsuccessfully (who could have guessed) trying to call me. Bro…
At least somebody probably understood what just happened, so they emailed me.Well, guess your last sentence works.
I currently have 6 eSIMs, but on a removable eUICC.
Are you able to have two of them enabled at the same time, or is there a limit to one, since it treats it like a SIM card?
Plus all that is free. In my country, eSIM profile download codes are single use, and you pay for them. Swan is €8, O2 €10 (…) The physical SIM is free, including shipping to home, but for eSIM they wanted €10.25
Wow, that’s insane!
I wrote to my carrier about being unable to make phone calls, they replied me to call them to “continue the case” after unsuccessfully (who could have guessed) trying to call me. Bro…
Was that LycaMobile?
At least somebody probably understood what just happened, so they emailed me.
Ah, never mind, not Lyca after all. These fuckers close FOUR CASES that I raised after failing to contact me, when I was reporting not being able to take calls.
I currently have 6 eSIMs, but on a removable eUICC.
Are you able to have two of them enabled at the same time, or is there a limit to one, since it treats it like a SIM card?
Yeah, just one at a time.
But maybe it could work on some devices, though I am not sure if with this adapter, since it has that extra STK menu, so it may work differently.
Really, the same eUICC chip that would normally be soldered into a phone can be soldered onto SC contact pads and used like that too: https://xdaforums.com/t/a-tricky-way-to-use-esim-on-cn-in-variant.4609543/
Difference is, this will require root to be used on most devices, since the chip doesn’t explicitly allow the respective apps to manage it.However, there’s some mentions that some devices may actually just recognize it as an eSIM even in settings, which is also mentioned here: https://osmocom.org/projects/pysim/wiki/UE_behavior_with_plastic_eUICC
Rumour is that some UEs will treat such an external eUICC just like an internal one, i.e. their normal LPAd would be able to manage and/or download eSIM profiles to it.
However, there may also be some issues with this. I’ve seen quite a few reports of these cards bricking Samsung devices, requiring a factory reset. And the linked article also mentions persisting issues after using the internal SIM manager on Pixel 4a 5G.
What happens on Samsungs is that they suddenly won’t show an IMEI and they won’t recognize any SIM card.
dual sim slot phones were very common in some markets where you needed to have multiple carriers. It’s a lot less common now that eSIM exists, but before then it was a common thing for the EU version of a phone to have dual sim slots when the NA versions were only single sim.
It still is pretty common, but they typically do hybrid slots, so either a SIM or SD card.
ur right bout the first two… i updated the posts content becuz of it (som hours ago)
but the accessories - see - i like the idea, bzt sadly they opted for a screw-on desgin… which then made the phone have two black screws on the back, in places where ur fingers would be… whivh spawns a big uncomfy feeling in me - so its mostly a personal thing-
but yes, ur points r very valid n i agree.
How did you hold one in your hands?? Is there a fair phone store?
Possibly held a friend’s phone.
Maybe supporting more US-based carriers would hook me.
However, I applaud their efforts in addressing modern slavery and child slavery in their supply chains and manufacturing.
It is rampant, and buying many forms of technology are supporting those supply chains.
This post really resonates with me and I’ve already said my piece about jack removal and BT buds arriving at the same time by FP.
The realization I came to is that FP is not an enthusiast brand and doesn’t want to be; it is not the Framework of phones.
They cater to the broadest market segment, they want to be the repairable Samsung, rather. And it shows.
Is there any brand that does want to be the Framework of phones?
Xiaomi and OnePlus used to be. Repairability, cheap(er), good specs, reliable. Now Xiaomis are stupidly unreliable and practically not bl-unlockable and OnePlus is starting to block bl unlocking in some regions, they don’t allow avb-yellow and are expensive as shit. Nowy maybe nothing if we ignore the light bullshit.
They were able to capture various national markets by competing on being favorable to consumer wants, now that they have a strong foothold, or straight up control whole markets, they get to juice their profits.
Used to have a OnePlus Nord. Broke the screen 3 years after the phone released and there were no replacement parts anywhere, besides a single AliExpress seller. It didn’t make things better that they released multiple versions of the same model, most, if not all, had incompatible screens.
The screen protectors for both Nord and 8T were out of stock less than a year after the phones were released, never to be seen again.
I’ve recently come across this: https://www.shift.eco/en/shiftphone-8/. Unfortunately also no headphone jack… But when my current phone breaks this might be the phone to get, for me at least.
Damn, the is so sick… except for the missing jack. What a bummer :(
Interesting. Any idea how compatible it would be with US mobile networks? I’m currently using Mint/T-Mobile (not Verizon, which is notoriously incompatible) but every time I’ve found an EU phone that looks appealing in the past compatibility was always a possible concern so I never got any.
I don’t speak German and after some searching I am still not sure. Most of the results are full of speculative/preview type info and focused on performance.
I think I’ve heard them being fully compatible (would be surprised if they weren’t), but I might be wrong.
Off topic but I really like your style of drawing, it’s cute.
^_^I’d trade their dumb accessories for a qi2 magnet. Stop trying to make a new ecosystem when a universal ecosystem exists around qi2
ooooooh!!! i thought that was some apple proprietary bs stuff - but apparently not - cool! <3
Actually, the magnet stuff (not the actual wireless charging) is an Apple thing, but—as far as I know—it is still free to be used.
Ya. You can get cases that have the magnets inside so you can use the same accessories.
I think it originated with Apple, but it was accepted as the standard.
I like this new look on Apple, they contributed partly to USBc and partially to qi2
TLDR - focus on features people want.
You think people don’t want accessories…?
naw- i agree, peeps want accessories. i was just mad that they made the backplate accessorie so that even the basic bavkplate has screws on the back… which triggers somthin evil in me - iduno-
Finally gets a decent proc to match it’s midrange price
Still only 256GB option
Downgrades to USB 2.0
Maybe by FP 10 they’ll finally get it right
If people, not only lemmy’s people and a small minority care about the jack people would buy phones with jacks, there are good options but very few people do.
Most people actually like and prefere bluethooth.
Same for ROMs, when was the last time you said “wow, I sure miss custom roms” and the whole room went “meeetooo”. Hell, most people don’t even know what a custom rom is.
This is not what “the people want” is “what lemmy thinks everyone ones, but is actually only them circle jerking”.
Downvote me to hell, but is the truth.
Headphone jacks are less important to me than other features but that doesn’t mean I don’t want one. I have to use a stupid USB to headphone adapter thingy to use my headphones and I cant charge it while I do, which yes, is a thing I wanted to do a few times.
Well i know a lot of people irl who miss the headphone jack and none are lemmy users and not all are nerds
i said in the post “to get me interested”, not “to get the majority of people interested”.
It says clearly down to the right “Focus on features people want”.
I straight up refuse to ever buy bt headphones. I never really had a desire to use them, and having them as the only option pisses off some deep part of my soul that hates the power being exerted for such a selfish reason.
I just don’t listen to audio on my phone without playing it through a wireless speaker, or playing it through the built in speaker(in private of course). I honestly don’t miss it, instead finding other ways to pass the time around other people.
hates the power being exerted for such a selfish reason.
I just don’t listen to audio on my phone without playing it through a wireless speaker, or playing it through the built in speaker.
You do realize that playing music on anything but a tiny speaker requires more power than BT+headphones? Even playing it loud in the built-in speakers can be note wasteful than later versions of Bluetooth.
Bluetooth transmission power costs are insignificant. But you don’t need to justify preferring the option to have regular wired earbuds on a phone.
well played
As a firm believer in wired headphones: you can buy an adapter to plug your 3.5mm in the USB-C. IMO it’s not ideal, but they’re small pieces and you can keep them connected to your headphones at all times, so you don’t even have to think about bringing them with you.
Personally, I made a 3.5mm jack non-negotiable for my phone, which severely limited my options. Next time I’ll probably have to get an adapter… :(
I’ve been forced to resort to them since it seems pin on my power port that handles audio signal has failed.
I hate playing stuff I’m listening to on speakers, even in private, I just always feel like someone else might be around, and I don’t want to annoy them, or even worse, have them judge me. It just makes me uncomfortable.
I would add proper Linux mainline support here.
That would allow other non-android options as well, and makes it be supported for the near future. And will likely have a network effect, allowing other phones with similar hardware to be supported as well.
