He says other nations will have to guard and police the Strait of Hormuz as necessary, after his attacks on the country prompted Iran to target vessels in the crucial world shipping lane. Mark Stone analyses the Truth Social post.
They can start all the wars they want, tell me aliens exist, send out checks, it doesn’t matter. I’ll never shut the fuck up about Epstein and these pedos.
Even if the US retreats I hope Iran keeps that strait closed and eventually collapses all those gulf pedo-slave states.
There has to be a price for collaborating with Americans and Israelis. If you want oil and be a US ally then you’ll have to rely on the US to share it’s own oil with you.
It’s as big of a self-own as Russia invading Ukraine and it’s only been three weeks.
It’s not closed, it’s only closed to enemies of Iran.
Well closed in the sense that it’s strictly controlled. Iran can rebuild by charging obscene amounts for the pleasure of trading in it’s gulf.
It would be in Iran’s interest to evict the United States from the gulf permanently; the punishment the Iranians must inflict should be severe enough that the US and Israel never again try to initiate an attack like this.
Thing is, can Iran understand this? In the past, their reaction against American aggression has been pretty tepid. That been said, the new Ayatollah has basically seen his family be decimated in a couple of weeks, so his response may be different this time around.
Yes, Iran understands this. Iran is in full, single-minded cancer removal mode. You beat cancer or you die.
Imagine if Iran had allied with ISIS, killed the US President and bombed several US schools, then a couple of weeks later Iran’s leader goes “anyway, we are winding down this war. It is someone else’s problem now.”
That’s not how war works.
You can bet Iran is ok with letting bygones be bygones
What makes you say that?
Being sarcastic. This will have ramifications for years to come.
If farting and leaving the room was a president
He is doing that on a regular basis.
The fart ends when a shit begins
No, he’s capable of extended fart/shit concurrency.
I wonder when was the last time Donny trusted a fart?
Nothing that comes out of Donald can be trusted.
Thats your MO. Come in, shit all over everything, ruin people’s lives, and leave. Please leave this plane of existence immediately.
If only the other nations would hold us responsible. They should be placing sanctions on is like those that were on Russia. Then it would actually make some Republicans non maga, start to move away from maga
I hate to say I agree with you. The only way to teach this generation in power is spanking. They only understand pain then fear it
The only way to teach any generation in power is spanking; the only difference between this generation and previous ones is that previous ones still remembered the last round of spanking.
America has never been spanked.
Your right pearl harbor and 911 were just time outs lol
The war of 1812 was a spanking.
9/11 was a bloody nose that hurt the US’s pride more than anything else. Any actual damage came from America trying to stop the bleeding by spending two decades stabbing itself in the heart.
What an “I love being an awful piece of shit” thing to say.
Pearl harbour resulted in Hiroshima Nagasaki, which obliterated Japan as a political opponent. The US has no reason to look back at that and fear, because they won.
9/11 was an inside job.
Dad here, this is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard in my life. If I ever need to physically abuse a 6 year old to get my point across I’ll just kill myself.
Who said anything about 6 years olds? We’re talking about physically abusing 60-year old warmongering gerontocrats.
The person who suggested the reason for all the world’s ills was not enough corporal punishment for children
So true, though. We don’t spank any of the six year olds with government leadership roles.
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Uh that’s clearly a metaphor, the intended meaning being that the current generation of global elites has no reason to fear the masses because the masses haven’t done enough to make fearing them necessary. “All the world’s ills stem from lack of corporal punishment” is outrageous enough that you should consider the possibility that you misunderstood.
The comment you’re replying to is clearly sarcasm, and this is a weird take…like, even Trump waited til the kids were 12.
Like hell it would. It would just make them double down and become even more nationalistic.
Forcing the country to subsidize local jobs? That wouldn’t hurt right now
Trump is unhinged enough to drop nukes on a country before the end of his term, not to mention all the lickspittles he has around Europe (Salvini, Meloni, Orban, Farage) ready to drum up support for US decisions.
Surprisingly, Meloni hasn’t been all that servile to Trump. And Farage is all hype, though that might change after the May local elections.
Israel is the one likely to use nukes, they want to, and a third of the president’s base, his primary base, the evangelicals, would support doing so. European allies won’t support it, because fallout if for no other reason.
I don’t think Israel will get support to use them, but if anyone is using them, it’s at their orders.
We hold you responsible, but not the leaders—they’re too cowardly…
In fact, we’re held hostage by all those thugs in the government
Sanctions have never worked that way. They often end up doing the opposite and bolstering nationalism.
Besides the bribed politicians, every leader and country who has tried to escape American control has been “dealt with”. The local rapist is buff and heavily armed.
Sanctions would work as well on the US as they work on Iran.
What the fuck do you mean sanction the USA? Do you realize how badly that would fuck over any middle power? Even if the USA didn’t retaliate at all, even the act of sanctioning the USA would be a death sentence to the economies of most western allies
“We can’t take action to be less dependent on the USA because we’re dependent on the USA.”
OK, then, lick those Florsheims.
Uhhhhh… No were literally taking action and have been for close to 2 years now to become less dependant on the USA. It’s been quite effective and I’m happy how things are going. We’re not taking this particular action because it’s suicide.
I could kill all the cancer in my body by blowing my brains out sure, but I don’t want to do that and it defeats the purpose of destroying the cancer.
I’d love to live in your world though where we can just always do the best and most optimal thing and there are no negative consequences to consider
Then it would actually make some Republicans non maga, start to move away from maga
Maybe but that would do little to actually prevent the US from doing evil shit, because US imperialism is bipartisan.
Oh boy here comes the everyone in the U.S. is bad opinion that we will see for the next 8 months. Sorry, but anyone who has any resentment for MAGA either votes for Democrats or chooses MAGA to thrive further more.
You said zero about who needs to be voted out, you gave no examples of specific bad actors like Brandon Sherman who is most likely to have intentionally given false information to the Democrats in an effort to subvert combatting the attacks against Iran sooner if at all. (71 year old Jewish man who took $777,000 from AIPAC to acquire his position) And secured a $21 million dollar deal for a U.S. Israel co-op directly after.
I’ve never been a registered Democrat, but it is highly evident that people who hate on Democrats in general with no facts, no evidence, all want what is happening now. They don’t want people to show up at the polls and vote for anyone other than what is in now. So since 2022, all “generalized” hate against the only opposition party that can be different instead of pointed acts of reform of the party, has been a direct act of support for MAGA.
Sir this is a Wendy’s. Even if everything you said was true (it’s not), it has literally nothing to do with what I said. The vast majority of the DNC supports imperialism whether you like it or not.
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. Historically imperialism being bipartisan in the US has been shown to be true. You can still vote blue no matter who and still acknowledge that fact.
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You are a MAFA supporter, thanks for identifying yourself for the rest of time
What’s MAFA? Biden was close to Israel, Obama had record drone kills, and ofc Bush has the blood of countless innocents on his hands. Get it together and grow up: America has been a global villain since WW2 (it was a regional one before), it goes beyond party lines, the empire will do what it wants and each both sides of the political spectrum just serve aesthetic and therapeutic purposes for the two American pluralities… but, ofc, democracy is just a pressure valve and narrative creation device, the American empire has been co-opted by the MIC for a long time and now by anational technological corporations, fund management firms and foreign interests, and whether war starts and continues or not has everything to do with their infighting (not ideological, but profit based) and nothing to do with the will of the American people (and a good chunk are bloodthirsty and militaristic enough they’re ready for war regardless).
Nothing in what you said negates the fact that American can be better or it can be worse.
There is always a choice.
Oh goodie a braindead take who once again stands to protect the pedophiles. Obama inherited wars and withdrew 70% of the troops from the middle East trying to clean up a Republican mess and depression. No one said anything about him being good but you went out of your way to hate on him because at heart you are a MAGA bootlicker. “Biden was close to Israel” isn’t even a fucking action. He was a fucking dumbass, but you are standing here defending war mongerers. Biden finished what Obama did and finally got our troops out of Afghanistan instead of continuing a giant mess of slaughter and money waste where we should have never been. No one is saying he was great, once again let me restate it. Either you are a pro NAZI pro war pro killing brown people for fun, or you find a way to focus on getting rid of bad Democrats to reform the party because everyone in the U.S. and abroad is either pro Democrats, or pro MAGA.
It’s MAGA or opposition, and the ONLY opposition is the democratic party. So you are a Democrat, or you are MAGA. Guess what, I won’t be registering as a democrat, but you can’t even register to become MAGA, because they are just a terrorist organization.
One with strong support from you so far
Pigeon management: Fly in, shit on everything, strut around like you’re the best and then fly away without a care.
Seagull management is the name
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seagull_management
The one you’re referring to is playing chess with a pigeon.
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/11427530-arguing-with-idiots-is-like-playing-chess-with-a-pigeon
But both are applicable
Don’t insult pigeons like that.
Yeah but they are actually super fascinating. I read a book about them and couldnt stop reading. So much cool stuff about pigeons.
MO implies there was planning this far ahead.
There was, but its ‘more money me’ and that plan is working wonders. Look at his family’s networth now.
1- Start a war
2- Lose it
3- Make others fight for you instead
4- ???
5- Profit (?)
Retreating. The word he is looking for is ‘retreat’. Also known sometimes as ‘surrender’.
Trump expects the world to go to war with Iran. What will actually happen is that the world will re-establish diplomacy with Iran and offer sanctions relief to end the blockade.
Without war reparations, American ships will forever be barred from sailing the strait, and Gulf states will likely start distancing themselves from the US and re-assess hosting American bases and troops.
Trump’s victory looks an awful lot like a strategic defeat that sees the US pull out of the Middle East and leave Iran in a more powerful position then before.
It also undermines the entire petrodollar/Bretton Woods system that gives the almighty US dollar its power. This will be a big win for China, when countries start trading in their USD for Yuan buy oil.
Bretton Woods died with Nixon.
And it will all be spin as America First and what’s left of MAGA will cheer.
But why would Trump do that if it’s exactly what Putin wants???
makes mess; leaves it for everyone else to clean up
Trump wont be happy when the “other nations” solve the problem by simply making deals with Iran
By buying oil in Euros or Yuan 😏
Euros
Don’t see why they’d make an exception for them. Europe in general supported the strikes on Iran.
Supported “in general”?
Also Iran hates the US specifically, anything that will hurt them in the long term is a good idea in their book
Supported “in general”?
Spain and Ireland have been pretty vocal against the war in Iran, but the rest supported it more or less clearly.
Finland didn’t, Sweden didn’t. Poland told Donald to pound sand
I kinda want a source for this “more or less clearly”
I kinda want a source for this “more or less clearly”
In politics, no outright opposition is tacit approval.
The same countries supplying USA with arms and condemning Iran one-sidedly?
He’s done what he wanted. Epstein is permanently out of the news.
rename it the Epstein Straight of Hormuz. with a Sharpie
“I messed this place up, hey you clean it up”, classic college bully mentality
I mean I wanna upvote but this has my AI sensor sus.
America: I’ve had enough.
Iran: I didn’t hear no bell.
They have no reason to start letting US ships through the strait and America has no ability to stop them.
Well according to Chief Cheeto, that doesn’t matter because the USA “doesn’t use it” 🤦♂️
Ignore the $4/gal sign at your nearest gas station.
America is a net exporter of oil, Trump could limit the export of oil or make a deal with Venezuela or reduce domestic demand by investing in mass transit and renewables, but any of those would be as bizarre as expecting Richard Nixon to make a trade deal with communist china.
A whole new transit network is not going to be there in time for the midterms. Venezuela’s oil industry isn’t what it used to be, and the US is a net exporter anyway, like you said.
Banning export might actually cure the symptom. The costs would not be zero either, though.
Banning export means everyone would charge import price -0.01$ per unit for their oil products, same as it is now. At least until storage is filled which will take a good bit of time (US strategic oil reserves are basically empty). The US gas prices aren’t high because there is no gas in the US, there is just more profit in selling it overseas.
Banning export means everyone would charge import price -0.01$ per unit for their oil products, same as it is now.
I’m not quite sure I understand. Import to the US? Obviously, nobody’s importing from the US if there’s a straight up ban.
Well, Iran has goals, but just ruining the world isn’t one of them. Probably they’ll charge fees and let traffic through selectively.
Negotiating an official solution to reopening it with other regional nations it is also a possibility. They can always shut it again if the US comes back.
The nationality of the ships isn’t important.
Anyway, Iran won’t keep antagonizing the entire world if their existence isn’t at risk. They haven’t been acting like crazy.
The nationality of the ships isn’t important.
It is; Iranian, Indian and Chinese shipping, among others, is being allowed through the straits. Also you’re right, but as long as America gets to just bomb them at any moment their existence is at risk, so they’ll want some kind of guarantee this won’t happen again.
If it’s closed to the US, the ships that go there will just register at Malaysia or whatever.
Remember the Houthi blockade? It’s not that simple.
Iran ain’t stupid. Most ships aren’t registered under the flag of the nations they haul to anyway.
Nationality matters. Didn’t India negotiate passage for their ships? I can imagine Iran will happily let ships through from countries that cut ties with the US. Don’t host US bases, don’t use dollars to pay for oil. That sort of thing.
Maybe allowing any country’s ships through except the us ships would be better.
It shows that Iran is open to some form of conversation or negotiation whilst also saying to the us that their war starting shit won’t be tolerated.
And to come back in 12-15 years after there’s been a few different presidents to see if they’ve changed their warmongering ways. (<-- Haha, yeah)The problem is no one registers their ships from their actual country. There are a few countries that everyone registers their ships to, so it’s not quite as simple as that, there are hidden paper trails connecting many of these boats to their true owners.
Liberia, Panama, and the Marshall Islands are the bigger ones.
Backing off means allowing Israel/US to do this again in the future. I don’t think they’re done yet especially since their Supreme Leader got assassinated by the US.
I still want to know why Iran had it’s supreme leader and all the other high ups in a vulnerable location knowing this was going to break out into war. Some said maybe the supreme leader wanted to be a martyr, ok, but why was everyone else that was there there? Including the son of the supreme leader. Something stinks about this, Idk what, but there is some fuckery afoot.
supreme leader and all the other high ups in a vulnerable location knowing this was going to break out into war
US negotiation meetings were scheduled for the next monday. He was very old, and a succession to his son, would seem an opportunity to fake his martyrdom for national unity, if somehow zionist axis thought this was a good idea to hit his house.
King Charles, relies on thinking it would be a bad idea for US to bomb Buckingham Palace for his security.
Israel attacked them in the last war when they were in peace negotiations. So that talks were scheduled is no excuse for not practicing good opsec for their leadership. King Charles isn’t under threat of attack by the US and Israel so I don’t see how that is a good analogy. Iran’s supreme leader was almost assassinated last war, they knew, or should have known, they were going to do it.
If it’s just about his martyrdom, why include all the other higher ups, and his son? Perhaps the Iranian hardliners tipped off the Israelis is where I’m going with this. I don’t necessarily think the hardliners are wrong at this point don’t get me wrong, this war was going to happen, and the old guard doesn’t quite get it.
King Charles isn’t under threat of attack by the US
50/50 on whether it would increase UK sycophancy to US, even though it was unreasonable to expect Iran to be “convinced of US’s force for good” from their attack. The point that the attack only results in loss of prestige/attitudes towards US is the reason to not worry about “the surprise attack”.
Shorter answer, in hindsight this turned out not to be the most self-preserving decision. It’s not a complicated conspiracy.
Himdsight my foot, I knew Israel was going to try to kill the Supreme leader, but they didn’t? Why the fuck not? The Martyr thing only works if his son didn’t get hit too along with all those other military higher ups.
You dropped your tin foil hat buddy.
How do you figure that? The supreme leader, his son, and military higher ups gathered at the ayatollah’s compound knowing Israel and the US were going to attack, and knowing Israel wanted to assassinate the Supreme Leader in the prior war.
One would have to be quite dishonest or slow to not question why they decided to gather there then, and the newspapers did ask that very question, including the guardian.
So frankly, your critique says a lot about your own quality.
Their existence is at risk as long as the US has military bases in the region.
There are very few US ships.
Almost every ship from a western country flies a “flag of convenience” from a country like Liberia, Panama, the Marshall Islands, etc. If they flew the US flag they’d be subject to US laws, and have to meet US safety standards, pay taxes to the US government, etc.
The few US ships that exist are there to meet the requirements of the Jones Act which requires that shipments from a US port to another US port be done by ships owned by a US citizen, crewed by US citizens / permanent residents, built in the US, and so-on. These ships only serve US-to-US trips, so they don’t go through the Strait of Hormuz. Incidentally, this is a big reason why prices in Hawaii are so high. Only US-flagged carriers can bring supplies from the US to Hawaii. And, with a population of only 1.5 million, it’s not really efficient to send huge ships from other countries to Hawaii.
They can still track ships that go to the US and Israel, same way Yemen did.
