Just blocked lemmy.ml from my Lemmy account, and I swear to god it’s one of the best things I’ve ever done on this platform. My homepage feels actually clean now.

For the past few months I’d been seeing a lot of tankie posting and pretty much far-left propaganda on my feed. It got tiring enough that I finally checked my blocked-user list, and realized pretty much everyone I’d blocked was from lemmy.ml. So I just blocked the whole instance instead.

Saying this as someone who considers themselves a leftist: I used to think Lemmy itself was an echo chamber. Turns out lemmy.ml was the problem the entire time. Probably the reason I tolerated it for so long is that I agreed with a lot of what they posted, but like an oversaturated meme, I’d had enough. Browsing the platform was starting to feel way too tiring instead of fun, which defeats the point of being here in the first place.

The breaking point was seeing some dude post a “meme” implying North Korea and China are basically communist utopias and that the West sucks. I mean, the West does suck, but come on - you’re saying North Korea is the ideal the West should strive for? What the hell…

  • InFerNo@lemmy.ml
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    Could someone give some examples of these leftist propaganda posts? I just browse all top day, maybe they get diluted enough for me to overlook these… i’ve seen this argument pass by so many times.

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      Try commenting that maybe, just maybe, Stalin wasn’t the greatest benefactor of humanity, ever.

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      I got banned from memes in Lemmy.ml over whether genocide in China is real. All the supporting evidence provided to me was from the Chinese government.

      Not saying US propaganda is trustworthy either blindly believing propaganda from any government is wild.

      I was also told that no one died at Tienanmen Square in that same thread.

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        All the supporting evidence provided to me was from the Chinese government.

        Well now you’re just factually, unambiguously lying. Which kind of goes you show how bad your position is; that you have to knowingly lie to defend it.

        I was also told that no one died at Tienanmen Square in that same thread.

        A claim that even Wikipedia agrees with.

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          “The massacre wasn’t at Tienanmen Square, it was just all around it so it doesn’t count!!!1!”

          is a very typical .ml take.

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            Do they make for swear to post some variation of this post every time you see .ml when you sign up for .world? It’s pavlovian for you people

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              Says the guy responding with “ROFL” to every comment that goes against their propaganda in this thread… You’ve posted in this thread like 30 times and only like 2 posts weren’t a variation of “ROFL” . Real productive posting buddy.

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          Peak party truth is arguing akshully against a massacre occurring because it ‘really happened a few meters outside of the square’.

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            That’s not remotely what was said.

            Why would you lie about something anyone can see just above the lie?

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            As opposed to the peak truth of just outright saying false things and getting mad that people point out they aren’t true?

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              “I didn’t murder him.”
              Pushed harder
              “Akshully I only pushed him down the stairs and sent him to the hospital. He died of an MRSA infection he picked up in the ICU”

              America exaggerated because that’s what they, and China do, but the constant BS of “nothing happened in the square” outside China and strong arming people inside China, when you know what we’re talking about and you know shit happened, is abuser shit.

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                  I’m just going to start calling it “The Tiananman square adjacent massacre” to diffuse this toddler-ass behavior from y’all before it starts. Though, it does make you all look ridiculous when you do this. So, maybe not.

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                    I’m shocked you got them to admit any deaths at all. Used to they wouldn’t do that.

                    I guess the mask is slowly falling off they have to admit some of the shit here and there now or else they’d lose credibility completely.

                    That’s a good example of the entire instance and users on it though. “Well it wasn’t in the square” lol ok, but they still murdered a bunch of people for protesting.

                    Its like they have a fundamental need to be “right” no matter what. “There is no Tianamen Square massacre because it didn’t happen in the square. So HA. All those murders inches away from the square were because they deserved it for illegally protesting!”

                    Also I think its wild that on their instance they all have their pronouns listed when China is pretty notoriously anti LGBTQ.

                    From Wikipedia (which I’m surprised they used as a source earlier, you try doing that on their own instance with anything that goes against their narrative and you will be perma banned for “imperialism”)

                    "LGBTQ venues and events have been forced to shut and LGBTQ rights activists have become subject to greater scrutiny by the country’s system of mass surveillance. The CCP increasingly considers LGBTQ advocacy the work of “foreign forces”. LGBTQ content is censored. "

                    They should all move to that utopia that is China but I’ll bet you all of them live in capitalist countries. (Which is fucking hilarious) Meanwhile here (which is also not a great place at all but I’m allowed to be honest about that) you can adopt kids and marry if you’re gay. Two things that are illegal in China.

                    Vehemently defending a country that hates you for existing has to be some form of self hate or something. Its hard to understand the logic of it.

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          Also from that Wikipedia article:

          Tap for quotes

          Official government announcements shortly after the event put the number who died at about 300.

          The Swiss Ambassador had estimated 2,700, following a visit to Beijing’s hospitals.

          Records from Beijing’s main eleven hospitals, compiled shortly after the events, recorded at least 478 dead and 920 wounded, though Timothy Brook notes that these figures are an undercount due to lack of information from other hospitals.

          Jonathan Fenby puts the death toll at over 700 in his book

          British Ambassador Alan Donald initially claimed, based on information from a “good friend” in the State Council of China, that a minimum of 10,000 civilians died […] Donald later revised his estimate to 2,700–3,400 deaths

          While public discussions about the events have become socially taboo, private discussions about them continue to occur despite frequent interference and harassment by the authorities. Nobel Peace Prize laureate Liu Xiaobo remained in China in order to speak out about Tiananmen in the 1990s despite the fact that he received offers of asylum; he faced constant surveillance. Zhang Xianling and Ding Zilin, the mothers of victims who died in 1989, founded the Tiananmen Mothers organisation and were particularly outspoken about the humanitarian aspects of the protests. The authorities mobilize security forces, including members of the People’s Armed Police, every year on 4 June in order to prevent public displays of remembrance, with an especially heavy security presence on the anniversaries of major events such as the 20th anniversary of the protests in 2009 and the 25th anniversary of the protests in 2014. On the 30th anniversary of the protests in 2019, the well-known Chinese artist Ai Weiwei wrote that “autocratic and totalitarian regimes fear facts because they have built their power on unjust foundations” and he also wrote that memory is important: “without it there is no such thing as a civilised society or nation” because “our past is all we have.”

          Journalists have frequently been denied entry to the square on the anniversaries of the massacre. Also, the authorities are known to have detained foreign journalists and increase surveillance of prominent human rights activists during this time of year. Internet searches on “4 June Tiananmen Square” made within China return censored results or result in temporarily severed server connections. Specific web pages with select keywords are censored while other websites, such as those which support the overseas Chinese democracy movement, are blocked wholesale.

          The actual numbers of deaths seems to be heavily disputed. In a country where the government heavily censors even discussion of the event and redacts all mention of it online, I’m hesitant to take the “official” numbers at face value. The truth is we’ll never know the true death count, we only have unreliable information; but I wouldn’t be surprised if the event was as bad, or worse, than what we know.

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      If you criticism the Chinese government on a .ml instance, you will quickly get banned for “rule 2: xenophobia”.

      Go to basically any comment section of a politics-related popular post on a .ml instance. I can almost guarantee that there will be some china/Russia/north Korea brainless take.

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        Had a look, all I can say is that they don’t quite come up when I browse all, and if they do I just don’t bother and skip over them. They’re not funny and the message therein is not one I support.