• umbrella@lemmy.ml
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    4 hours ago

    are they socialist? if they arent then good luck winning people back with a fundamental misunderstanding of whats wrong.

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    Voting for Europe‘s Volt party is like voting for the marketing department of your favorite company. They are not socialist by any means, and I don’t mean seize the means of productions style. I mean that they’re not even leftist, they are just pro-European because of the economy and profits for shareholders. Plus, the German branch is also Zionist. All in all not really an option.

    If you want pro-European and something that counters the Nazi movements in Europe, Mera25 is a much better choice.

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      5 hours ago

      They’re left-liberal which yes isn’t socialist by a long shot, OTOH it’s well within the overton window, thus actually able to be an electoral success. It’s also a position which is completely underserved because neolibs captured everything even close to centre.

      Oh, for all the yanks out there: Left-liberal is when UBI (because no proper employment market without uncomplicated social net) and business politics for SMEs instead of multinationals and plenty of antitrust with plenty of teeth. Petite bourgeois with at least a form of class consciousness. And gay marriage of course.

      Are you, by any chance, letting the perfect be the enemy of the not completely evil?

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        Nah I’m just tired of another liberal party posing as a left wing alternative just to cave against shareholder interests. This is the story of Social democrats and greens all over Europe, they promise the world and when they would actually have to stand up against the interests of the capitalist machinery they’ll do mental gymnastics to justify why they can’t do what they would really like to do.

        But the real reason is that they’re afraid to lose power, see the social democrats in Denmark or even the Green Party in Germany, who do more right wing policy and sound more right wing than actual right wing parties some decades ago. I have zero trust in Volt being any different, they have a strong centrist corporate wing.

        I stand by it, if you want an actual alternative that’s Mera25, not Volt.

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          https://diem25.org/diem25-hat-einen-plan-fuer-frieden-der-ukraine/

          Eine Regierungsstruktur für die östlichen und südlichen Gebiete der Ukraine auf der Grundlage des nordirischen Karfreitagsabkommens, um die politische Gleichberechtigung zwischen der russischsprachigen und der ukrainischsprachigen Bevölkerung zu gewährleisten.

          The fuck. Without Russian invasion there would be no political inequality between Ukrainian and Russian-speaking Ukrainians GTFO with those Kremlin talking points. Aside from that, demands that would allow Russia to re-invade at their heart’s content. “Mutual non-aggression treaty” they didn’t even have the decency to say “security guarantees by states that can roflstomp Russia”. Russia broke a fucking security guarantee they gave Ukraine when invading, shit’s not worth the paper it’s written on.

          So much about standing up to genocidal regimes, eh. So much about anti-imperialism.

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        They really aren’t. An internal Volt Deutschland memo leaked a couple of months back. Essentially, they were afraid for antisemitism.
        The memo was pulled out of context, and a conveniently cropped translation made the rounds

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          No I’m talking about Volt politicians going to pro-Israel rallies and Volt Germanys stance on the genocide.

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        Go ask Volt Germany if they think there’s a genocide happening. Go check their statements published on this conflict. I can tell you because I asked them a couple months and the answer was the same that every other mainstream German politician would give you. Volt politicians in Germany frequently show up on pro-Israel protests.

        Oh and there’s also this here just as an example: https://www.instagram.com/p/C3GQ8arsQzE If you think that’s a one time thing go check their page. Check their statements. Check what they condemn, who they empathize with and who they don’t mention.

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      They’re not perfect, so we should allow the far-right to win to spite the non-perfection.

      Glad Australia isn’t part of NATO right now.

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        Because having another party emerging that acts and talks exactly like all other centrist established party will surely fix it.

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    Yea… I’m not so sure that doing the exact opposite of what is causing voters to swing conservative is how you win them over.