As for minors, their mind is still developing, […] Not knowing even the basics of cognitive development of children, I feel like there’s not even a point to discuss with you

Are you sure you replied to the right guy because that’s an argument I made from the start.

Now I don’t know where you’re from but around here four year olds are unsupervised in public. It’s also not about the concept, but about what is considered right and what’s wrong, and the self-control to not act on an overwhelming impulse from the unconscious. May I remind you that the frontal cortex, that which gives us the ability to pause and reconsider, is not fully developed at his age.

You have no idea what his psychology looks like, yet you’re condemning him, and thousands more, by your principles. Unseen, unheard, and yep that – unseen, unheard – is one of the possible depth-psychological reasons why kids lash out like that. Not only do you, self-righteously, condemn him, you also might have created him by the habitual way in which you regard – or rather don’t regard – people.

He doomed himself.

You locked him up and threw away the key. That is your action, directly affecting his psychology, directly harming him. You may be the judge, the legislator, the juror, the jailer, the voter. You have to account for it.

You justify locking him up by protecting others, but how do you justify the harm you’re inflicting?

Then, you’re assuming agency on his part. Choice. The kid is 15 FFS, go back in your own life, consider how much, at that age, it was yours, or that of the environment. You also need to argue that he was the reason he killed, and not his environment. Humans don’t generally kill other humans, they also don’t grow up to do so, something must’ve happened to him and I very much doubt it was his fault.

He is free to explore the development of his personality within the context of having his behavior directly supervised for the rest of his life.

No, he isn’t. Literally psychology 101. You’re dooming him, how are you going to redeem yourself from that? You’ll need, by your own argument, do something that benefits him, not others, or the collective.

One comment earlier you seemed to have accepted saving a life as possible repayment for a taken life, now you don’t, any more. What happened?

If only he was now in a situation where he can be dealt with by specialists who can increase the odds substantially, and only be released if another set of specialists evaluate his mental state to have, as you put it, won the lottery.

Throw away the keys and you worsen the odds. Also, break the European Convention on Human Rights, which demands that there be a light at the end of a tunnel for everyone: Because denying it, no matter how far away it may seem, amounts to taking away his freedom to free development of personality. In other words, he has a right to work towards redemption. To, if not arrive, at least begin to learn to walk into the right direction. Everybody does.

Who are you to make a judgement on the future of his life while the blood on the knife hasn’t even dried yet? Can you predict the future? Make a judgement for the here and now, instead.

Even if you now demand a life for a life, which isn’t your call to make, it very much is possible: He might save a life that, in prison or dead, he could not have saved. He might save twenty, even a million.

You’re plain and simply out for blood. An eye has been struck out, and you hide your desire to see the whole world blind behind “well, we don’t have to poke it out, we only have to sew it shut” (put him in prison vs. executing).

You got the purpose of juvenile justice completely wrong: It is focussed more on rehabilitation and less on deterrence than the adult one because juveniles are still way more formable. Psychologists will descend upon him, and they’ll do the job his parents and neighbours didn’t (or couldn’t) do, a job which, at 15, noone is able to do on their own.

those determined to be fundamentally irredeemable.

That’s vile. Of course they’ll be unredeemable if you don’t give them the chance to redeem themselves.

Pretty much everyone knew but OTOH it’s not like they were making contracts with prisons, they had contracts with ordinary GDR companies which used prison labour to supplement their own workforce, often on an irregular basis. E.g. if you had a contract with a GDR company to supply a certain number of t-shirts per month for three years, they’d do it with their own workforce, they’d get another short-term contract and fulfil part of that and part of your contract with prison labour. The whole economy was infested with it, basically impossible to do business with the GDR and not have prison labour involved somewhere in the supply chain. What are you expecting, you’re doing business with tankies.

I’d see stronger culpability if they had been contracting out dangerous work. GDR wasn’t stellar at work safety in general, not atrocious either, but prison labour in e.g. the chemical industry? It’s not that they didn’t gave a fuck, it was extra unsafe by design.

Fuck Spez

(Hey noone else said it in this thread so I think I have to)

Random people on the internet are so used to campism that they’re completely unaware of how long the Shiite community in Hamburg has wanted that Mosque taken from the Iranian regime.

It’s not about the economic model or the US wouldn’t be buddies with Vietnam. This is about United Fruit (now Chiquita), this is about Bacardi, all expropriated without a dime of compensation, and rightfully so for using de facto slave labour under the watchful eye of US-backed dictators, administrating the island as a de facto colony.

The Cuban revolution wasn’t socialist, it was one for independence. The guerillas, once in power, were eyeing vaguely DemSoc politics and a good relationship with the US. The US answered with the Bay of Pigs invasion etc, driving Cuba into the arms of the Soviet Union and acquiring an unhealthy habit of authoritarianism and non-industrialisation in the process, becoming dependent on the block overpaying for their sugar, them underpaying for oil, fertiliser, etc.

The difference to Vietnam? Vietnam was a French colony. The US got over the domino theory which made them wage war there, they never got over the expropriations and losing control over the colony, worst of all, driving it into the hands of their mortal enemy. To relent on the sanctions would mean reflecting on all that and I don’t think the US is politically capable of admitting such a gigantic mistake, both humanitarian and strategic, to themselves.

In a parallel universe, with saner heads in Washington prevailing, Cuba would now be negotiating alongside Puerto Rico about the details of US statehood.

…that was fast.

“Easier” meaning: Joining a foreign military (you are a national of) without permission, taking up another nationality without permission, partaking in terrorist acts abroad.

IIRC the latter point was added the rest had been in place forever and that it was added isn’t really connected to making having dual nationality easier, they just did both at the same time because when you’re reforming a law, why not do it thoroughly.

Back to Jamshid Sharmahd: Shiites do like their Martyrs, don’t they? We happen to have a vacant Mosque we could name after him.

Creeps, or young themselves, and/or have shit all for an artistic eye. AI models have given us a whole new uncanny valley and that’s photorealistic textures on comic/anime abstraction.

The actual issue is that models who are trained on porn, or even just nudity, and simultaneously trained on perfectly innocent pictures of children will be able to produce at least an approximation of CSAM if you know what you’re doing.

More recent commercial foundation models are absolutely neutered when it comes to nudity and, or at least that’s the hypothesis, that’s why so they’re godawful at anatomy. Which is why upcoming community models are going to go the way of include the porn but not include any pictures of any child in any situation.

The trouble is that the left, while otherwise staying lefties (something something pudding prices), swallowed the right’s idea of how to provide security whole-sale some time after Rabin’s assassination, the period of defiance, “now even more peace even harder” was all to short-lived. Quoth the Haaretz, Yigal Amir won.

Pair that with just not wanting to see. Saw an interview with Israeli journalists, they were talking about how they were reporting about what the IDF and settlers were up to in the West Bank, they tried to do a bit of Gaza, but it’s all too easy to switch channels to a programme that doesn’t make you think and feel uncomfortable things. That, broadly speaking, is the culpability the broader Israeli public will have to come to terms with, that, if they hadn’t been that passive, the Kahanites wouldn’t have had the freedom to do it.

Or, differently put: We need pictures of the heads of sniped Palestinian children on the wailing wall.

I think the delusion that fuels this insanity is western car companies understand the future is no longer defined by visions of the car but they can’t admit it. They can’t make cheap, reliable ev commuter cars because from their perspective that would be admitting the truth they can not accept to themselves.

Eh. Especially because (at least European) car companies understand that public transport is a thing they’re focussing so damn much on upper market segments. “Commuter car” indeed does not feature in visions of the future, at least not prominently.

Alternatively, the German government nationalizes VW

Too late the state of Lower Saxony and the work’s council together already have majority voting rights. By pure shares the Porsche/Piëch clan has a majority but the work’s council gets 50% - 1 seats on the board (generally the case for big German companies) so they can’t just dictate things.

That said the work’s council previously did agree to a severe downsizing, back when automation swept the industry they agreed to introduce it, opposing it would’ve meant the end of the company, but made sure that the most back-breaking jobs got automated first, and that staff reduction was done with early retirement and a stop to hiring, not massive layoffs. Something like this may happen again but the way that the executive council is acting right now – yeah I think their heads are going to roll. They’re acting as if the company wasn’t, ultimately, run by IG Metall (via works council and socdem state government).

Komeito on the surface look like Christian Democrats. Who would emphasise their welfare aspect more in Europe, too, if they weren’t also the ones completely captured by business interest and they didn’t have actual lefties to contend with.

…in fact, the LDP also looks like Christian Democrats, but nationalist wing. I suppose they do also have folks who are plenty religious but not enough for Komeito.

CDP looks interesting, their socdems and soclibs actually merged? Someone realised that petite bourgeois aren’t the actual class enemy?