when do you get to call a dictator a dictator? when he stops with the pretend elections?
Depends on the flavor of leftism he or she supports.
In East Germany the people loved their nation most only weeks before collapse: 99,92% voted for the pro-soviet government.
Then the CIA dropped 20 million agents from invisible helicopters which fakes mass demonstrations and used mind-control rays to make them love the west and hate the soviet union.
In the first election after reunification the Communists got 11,1% of all votes in Former East Germany. Damned CIA mind control rays.
This is my favorite tankie cope.
“The CIA obviously staged the protests and rigged the election against the communists!”
So like, they snuck in millions of undercover agents?
“Don’t be ridiculous, that’s not how it works!”
So they stuffed the ballot box?
“No, that’s what we tried to do.”
You mean they forced people to vote at gunpoint?
“NO IT WAS THE PROPAGANDA.”
So the CIA just… Convinced people to support Western politics?
“IT’S NOT FAIR! HOW CAN WE WIN IF PEOPLE HAVE AGENCY!”
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You know we are real communists because we can live rent free in your minds
I don’t understand the link between communism and celebrating an imperialist dictator’s sham election.
because it doesnt exist, nobody on the left likes putin, the “tankie who loves putin” is just a guy that the reddit brained lemmy.worlders made up to be angry at.
my guy have you been to hexbear or lemmygrad? every other post on those forums are just people whining about westerners treating china and russia like they’re totalitarian/dictatorships and genocidal (because they are) and then saying that the US is even worse with less freedom of speech and more authoritarian. and obviously the constant uyghur genocide denial saying they’re just being “(re)educated” and they’re “integrating” with the mainland communities/culture more, then deflecting and rationalizing that even if it is genocide then it’s good because US wage slavery & prison labour is bad.
plus calling ukraine nazis and in general being anti-ukraine, saying that ukrainians want to be part of russia and that ukraine was better off as part of the soviet empire, claiming that putin was justified in invading “because NATO” even though there was no way in hell of ukraine joining NATO (they don’t accept unstable countries or countries with foreign non-NATO military/rebel presence) and even after NATO started backing away from ukraine in order to please russia (tankie claims which are silly and a sick joke)…
it’s not nearly as bad on lemmy.ml, it’s mostly limited to the minority here, but the other two are definitely filled to the brim with imperialists/red nazis in denial…
Just to establish some ethos in your mind here: I am banned from Lemmygrad for “trying to lib up the grad” after discussions about Russia. Even so, I would say it is both disingenuous and wrong to claim that they are all drooling over Putin. Most of them, at least those worth listening to, are critically supportive of Russia due to them being in opposition to Western hegemony. That said, many of them are also unfortunately very much under the impression that all Ukrainians are nazis, which is obviously not true.
To properly evaluate them for what they are, and not as an infantile “they are genocide loving, totalitarian, red-fash tankies”, one needs to understand how dystopical their view on the current world order is. If anything, this should be the take away from their dissonant voices, because their dystopic view of the Western world unfortunately bears a lot of merit (which does not equivocate to many of the alternatives being much better).
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The irony of an American trying to educate someone else on their ignorance, while simultaneously expressing their deepest ignorance themselves.
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Lmao thanks. I had not met my government mandated amount of chuckles yet!
