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Californian here.
There’s really no possible way I’ll ever have any sort of faith in my country again. I won’t go out of my way to help it. I’ll always default to assuming it’s a bad actor and that I need to protect myself from it. From here on out I’m a Californian, not an American.
Orange dipshit will die. Sooner than later. But the country will still be full of irredeemably stupid assholes. I don’t feel any allegiance to that. It only serves to make me feel nauseous.
This is why we will never trust you guys again up here in Canada. Even if Trump and his crew all died tomorrow and somehow the friendliest, nicest person became the president, it wont matter. The relationship is done for.
I realize to most Americans that doesnt mean much but its also how the rest of the world sees you. You guys are toxic. Maybe not as individuals. But as a nation.
Exactly. I think the EU should strengthen its ties to other European countries and Canada, and reduce or eliminate its dependency on the US or US companies. And look for more alliances elsewhere: South America, and democracies in Africa and Asia. I would rather deal with China than the US at this point (though Russia is still worse).
though Russia is still worse
Barely.
I’ve started to civilly disobey by removing myself from the economy as much as possible.
Cancelling my car insurance felt like a rite of passage.
Welcome to the sensible German’s approach to “patriotism”. Definitely after WW2, but absolutely relevant again. Our governments have been full of shit ever since, with surprisingly the only non-selfish head of state having been the conservative Mrs. Merkel, whom no one expected it of. She still did spearheaded a government with fucked up social politics, but at least not for personal gain (only for that of her buddies in industry) - which is arguably a low bar to clear. Anyways, the bottomline is: I’m a human first, European second, a lot of things then, and a German only by some piece of paper.
I’m so incredibly tired boss- tired of arguing with dumb magat nazi fucks on the internet, tired of seeing my country destroyed from the inside out day by day, tired of seeing the orange jizz biscuit spewing rhetoric from the podium out of his face anus like a sharting sprinkler- I’m doing my diligence and vetting activists groups to join so I can get off the internet take it to the streets. no nazi should feel comfortable, period
I ban every single fascist I meet on here. I’m not going to engage with them. No matter what I tell them, there is exactly 0% chance they’ll realize they’re pieces of shit and kill themselves. It’s just a complete waste of time, and instead they get to spread their bullshit and hate.
Seriously I think we could all do with less interacting with nuts. The kind of neutral objectivism that is celebrated in rational discourse is exactly what’s co-opted during these encounters.
I ended up writing paragraphs as a result of a back and forth between a conspiracy theory who thought NASA lies about space and Kirk alive somewhere.
Dude told me, “Nice try jew” in the end. I’m goddamn east Asian and told him multiple times, even writing in Japanese.
They take their ignorance as proof of their own enlightenment.
How exactly does one prepare for invasion?
Arm the polar bears.
There are a lot of ways to prepare for an invasion. They range from the personal (stock up on food, find a safe place) to the societal (arm yourselves, prepare defenses, organize militia or resistance cells).
Nobody is denying the US would flatten Greenland but they can make governing the people impossible. Thats the point of resistance.
It’s 56k people. The US doesn’t need to govern shit, they would probably just deport them all if they invade.
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In Greenland specifically, it means staring wistfully out at the ice and ocean and considering your life choices.
Yeah America is getting cooked for the next couple decades at least. Even if Trump literally dies tomorrow and his successor backs out no one is trusting them for a long time.
People keep saying that, but is that really true? Because I just don’t see society having any sort of memory.
For fuck sake, the guy is a rapist, pedophile, liar of the highest order. No one cares. Sure, some people are moving away from US services/products, but 1. Not that many people are doing it and 2. Once a non pedophile, war-monger gets back in the presidency, some little bit of marketing and everyone will go back to buying US.
I just don’t think anyone gives a shit. There is like 1 principled person for every 100000 people.
People keep saying that, but is that really true? Because I just don’t see society having any sort of memory.
American society
For fuck sake, the guy is a rapist, pedophile, liar of the highest order. No one cares. Sure, some people are moving away from US services/products, but 1.
Americans didn’t seem to care, the rest of the world was screaming top of our collective lungs
Not that many people are doing it and 2. Once a non pedophile, war-monger gets back in the presidency, some little bit of marketing and everyone will go back to buying US.
Business people are soulless ghouls so that could happen… but the regular people can hold a grudge. Look at how Canada’s population has rejected anything USA even when the Gov was all appeasement and boot licking until this speech… also remember how much Americans seem to hate Russia and Communism even though most can barely point to one in the map or understand the definition of the other in the dictionary
I just don’t think anyone gives a shit. There is like 1 principled person for every 100000 people.
Again, you are judging the world on the template of Muricans
You conflate internal and international politics.
We need to deny the United States that marketing, then. Hollywood is failing right now. We need to make sure it doesn’t recover.
The tide is turning.
Checks and balances have to get a whole lot stronger before anyone trusts the US long term.
This is what is wrong with the world. People have become so numb, that they don’t care.
Firehose of falsehood. Russian propaganda playbook of making people resigned and indifferent.
Unfortunately the damage is done. Nations that were asleep at the wheel so to speak and just complacent with the world order arangement have woken up to the danger and risk of doing that. Europe is not going to rely on the US for security anymore no matter who is in charge.
There will be agreements and treaties and shit like that, but our global power is waining (as will the dollar).
Once a non pedophile, war-monger gets back in the presidency, some little bit of marketing and everyone will go back to buying US.
It remains to be seen if you’ll ever have free elections again. You might become a dictatorship well before then.
I agree. People elsewhere, like here, will just want to try carrying on like normal. The alternative is too hard. Where are they going to get their supplemental LNG and oil? Are they going to switch to only Linux instead of Windows or macos? Iphones? Our oligarchs, and others will continue to corrupt the world’s politicians, and fund increasingly sophisticated propaganda campaigns. The decision makers will cave to oligarchs’ carrots and sticks.
You are over estimating the importance of american products. Android has 60% market share in eu while iphone has 39%. Norway and Algeria supplied both more LNG to europe than USA in 2024.
At Q3. 2025 EU bought only 14,5% of our petrolium oil from USA. Norway alone was 14,6%.
EU is allready looking into making our own replacement for visa and mastercard.
Food and drink is not really a problem as many processed products USA produces already recognized as non suitable for human consuption. South america will be happy to provide nuts and fruits for EU. Especially when their neighboring country is acting hostile towards them at the moment and most alchohol USA produce is considered bottomself stuff.
Car imports from the USA has been falling for years, even before Trumps tarifs.
I think windows is hardest to shake as most businesses use it and most softwares are designed to use it.
Cultural things like movies, tv series and music and somesoftware are also hard to replace.
I forgot to mention Google’s Android. So it seems nearly 100% of the EU is using a US controlled device in their pocket. Nice little spy devices.
“Algeria’s growing willingness to collaborate with the United States should not be seen solely as a security measure, but as part of a comprehensive strategy to reposition itself geopolitically in an increasingly unstable international environment.” https://www.atalayar.com/en/articulo/politics/russias-growing-influence-in-the-sahel-is-forcing-algeria-to-rethink-its-defence-strategy/20250510130000214532.html
If Algeria gets in bed with US oligarchs, then they will be used as a pawn against the EU. What would you do in winter when some pressure campaign or insurgency is upon you, but budgeted energy is cut short?
A lot of expensive painful changes will have to happen in the EU. Individuals are weak and don’t want their boat rocked. A great period of austerity may be needed to fund the changes. Individuals will hang on to lifestyles that they are accustomed to, and expect the same in the future. When presented with reality, they will experience cognitive dissonance. Many individuals will choose to fool themselves that there is another way, or that things aren’t bad enough to warrant the loss of what they expected their short existence to be like.
Android is open source. Google makes money trough playstore and youtube. Google pays for phone manufactorers so they keep apps like maps and gmail preinstalled on the phones. If at some point there would be situation where company like samsung would need to choose between googles money or their biggest market, market wins. By a huge margin.
USA has hard time stopping Algeria from trading with EU by any other way than military force. EU is their biggest trade partner. 48% of their trade is to European Union.
Also where you get the individuals are weak thing? Like i already said. You are over estimating the importance American trade. And you are forgetting trade goes both ways.
Millions of jobs in the United States are related to EU-US trade and investment. The European Union is a reliable source of critical supplies to the United States, including medicinal ingredients and pharmaceutical products, advanced machinery and equipment, and aerospace parts and components. At the same time, the European Union is the largest buyer of the United States’ natural gas and oil, but states are not the biggest importer of gas and oil for EU.
Total bilateral trade in goods between the EU and the US reached €851 billion in 2023. The EU exported €503 billion of goods to the US market, while importing €347 billion; this resulted in a goods trade surplus of €157 billion for the EU. Total bilateral trade in services between the EU and the US was worth €746 billion in 2023. The EU exported €319 billion of services to the US, while importing €427 billion from the US; this resulted in a services trade deficit of €109 billion for the EU.
The difference between EU exports to the US and US exports to the EU stood at €48 billion in 2023; the equivalent of just 3% of the total trade between the EU and the US.
Also since you like to talk about the oligarchs.
The EU and the US are also major investment partners. EU and US firms have €4.7 trillion worth of investment in each other’s markets (2023 data).
How do you think these oligarchs feel if that 5,5 trillion dollars of investments start to unravel.
Everyone is accustomed to Google’s bundled apps and various backend web services. People generally don’t like change, so they will continue to use them. Those components are binaries and runtime calls to proprietary software. You can’t go compile them yourself. So it will continue to be a viable foothold.
MLK wrote about the white moderates being the largest stifling force to change. Collectively, they’d say we need these changes for justice and equality, but always bail and say not like this, or not at this time. The changes that needed to happen would disturb or destroy the lives they individually sought. Individuals think about themselves first. If the changes needed would cause a period of economic hardship for their families, then they may soften their support. If they have kind hearts, but are completely accustomed to privileged lifestyles, they will have internal contention if the needed changes could upend it. They will have fear. If individuals or families have medical conditions, they will have internal contention about anything even temporarily interrupting care. On and on and on. This is the problem we are facing right now in the US. As a people, our majority calls for change. Individually, we are calculating what we would truly sacrifice. Have you not read the endless comments from the US individuals stating why they can’t do more?
Oligarchs created our current situation. The long term goal in the EU is same as for the US, regulatory capture and then privatization of public services and resources.
Whitout disrespecting MLK, he wrote about completelly different people, with completelly different values who were living in a different time. You cant really bring writings about highly individualistic culture in a time when racial segration was common and slavery were still so fresh there were both, people who used to own slaves and people who were born in slavery alive, and except it to represent modern day europeans accuratelly. I think Bernie Sanders is good example. In USA he is perceived as a borderline extremist by some, but in most european countries his policies are pretty mild and centrist.
I bet EU countries would fare much better than USA in face of economic hardship. Europeans generally are not as invidualistic as americans and social safety nets are better.
And no, i honestly havent seen those comments. I try to steer clear from social media, and what i have seen here are more desperate calls for action than anything else.
I have really hard time beliving the rich and powerfull would on purpose cross the line and bomb the economy, because they have most to lose. The risk and the reward just does not add up.
It’s not just that, I meant more from an international geopolitics POV.
Countries are also for example getting rid of US dollar in favour of gold and silver, or investing in non-US solutions or income streams for many problems technical, agricultural, medical etc because the US might tariff them for no fricking reason. People are no longer looking as much to US as a place where they can settle with their families long term, or a place to conduct research because a large population is brainwashed into being anti-science and anti-immigrant.
rapist, pedophile
I would like this to be true (which is fucked up when you think about it), but do we actually have hard evidence or is this still just speculation? Sure, a lot of information indicates that Trump & co has been involved in sexual abuse with Epstein. Not trying to be a troll or bait, but we need to base our claims on facts and evidence or else we will become just like Trump & co - liars and conspirators.
Well, he was found civilly liable for rape, so I’d say that one is settled. As for pedophilia, we have a lot of circumstantial evidence, and he’s literally blocking the release of the hard evidence, so I’d say most reasonable people can come to that conclusion.
He is an adjudicated rapist.
As for the pedophilia, his various comments over the years sexualizing minors (including his own daughter), eyewitness accounts of him entering teen pageant dressing rooms unannounced, his close friendship with Epstein, and his general unwillingness to cooperate with releasing unredacted versions of the files are just about all the evidence you need to have a reasonable suspicion that he is involved with the trafficking or rape of children. Unfortunately we probably won’t know the whole truth until after he leaves office or dies because we live in a clown country where the chief executive is immune to consequences.
That’s fine. If that’s what it takes to help the Americans get their predatory elites onto a tighter leash, that’ll be worth it.
People forget really fast.
Do they, really?
Remember how noone says “it was just Hitler and his thugs”, no, the world correctly identifies deeply rooted problems within the German mindset and German society of the time as major contributing factors to what ultimately led to the catastrophe we know as WWII and the Holocaust. Militarism, blind obedience before orders and oaths, blaming others.
Even today, Germans are very often confronted with their Nazi past, usually by Americans who think their sense of humor is superior when they crack a dumb Nazi joke (I would like to get a Euro every time I read “I did nazi this coming” on the internet).
No, people do NOT forget. And they don’t care who you are - a perpetrator or someone who was opposed to what happened and apologized for their country. They don’t even care if you knew.
“I didn’t vote for this” is fast becoming the new “I didn’t know anything about it”.
I’m German, so take it from me - sorry, Americans, I wish it was different, but the world will not distinguish what you think about what happened, they will only see an American. People are simple and will always blame the collective.
My granddad was shot by the Wehrmacht for defection, but the world will always just see the Nazi soldier.
And we also see your fighter jet flyovers at the super bowl, the glorification of your military, the gun cult, the lack of social laws and how every single person in America has to fend for themselves. This lack of empathy is a deeply rooted problem in the American mindset and I view it as a contributing factor that enabled Trump.
That’s because its something that is taught to every generation on purpose in pretty much every school system around the world. Most stuff is not something you learn in school, while it is alot.
People, yes, countries, no
Japan forgot they were in war with a country. There are probably more examples.
I seriously cannot picture this happening. More of Trump’s dementia addled Twitter rambling. Even the puppets pulling his strings wouldn’t want this.
I mean, crazier shit has happened, but I see the US going full Handmaid’s Tale long before I see them invading a self-governed nation full of almost exclusively white people.
My money would be on Russia making that play before the US.
Even the puppets pulling his strings wouldn’t want this.
One of those string-pullers is Stephen Miller, who is obviously mentally deranged and maybe even sub-human. A living embodiment of all the cringey super-villain speeches made by incels since the millenium.
He absolutely wants war and suffering.
It won’t happen, it was never going to happen, but Trump will throw such shit-fits they’ll basically give him the equivalent of what he’s asking for so he shuts up. See also the Nobel Peace Prize he strongarmed. It wasn’t technically taken by force but it’s in his hands now, innit.
It’s so bizarre seeing people capitulate to toddler tantrums. We’re all being held hostage by an ipad kid.
Don’t underestimate that shithole country
It’s behind a paywall and I’m not giving Bloomberg money
Yea fuck bloomburg
Just fucking sad.
Just fucking sad
Its a lot worse than that, its world war 3
Foreigner here. I know you civilians don’t control the government anymore & many of us see your hands are tied, but if Americans really want to stop wars, then stop enlisting in any branch of your military except the coast guard. Every other branch is primarily used for invasion. If you’ve already enrolled/are trapped by the military, try to become a conscientious objector.
And FFS, arm yourselves (civilians) to the teeth. The tyrannical government your Founding Fathers envisioned has arrived.
The problem with this is that the military is the only path out of poverty that provides socialized healthcare and paid educational benefits for large portions of our population. I think people outside of the USA don’t understand how the lack of worker protections, healthcare, debt based education and exploding homelessness crisis keeps Americans in bondage
Also, if the military is all Trump loyalists, that will increase the chance they’ll obey illegal orders that pit them against Americans.
If I miss a week of work I’m homeless. There’s some people a single day can bring them down. They precariously positioned us here so by the time we’ll do anything about it it’ll be too late as they sweep us over the edge.
A lot of us are armed. But you know that orange turd would order the military to bomb complete cities. We would be taking on the world’s most powerful military.
But. I do agree with you. That what it’s going to take. We just need to organize.
A lot of us are armed. But you know that orange turd would order the military to bomb complete cities. We would be taking on the world’s most powerful military.
Yes, you have made grave mistakes for many years that led you to this very deep hole… now they climb back is not going to be a walk in the park but either you do it or die in the hole
Having only people who are willing to do atrocities in the military is not going to magically make it better lmfao, nor will it stop it
Given the fact that the navy were quite happy to kill a bunch of unarmed civilians and then come back a second time when some of them didn’t appear to be dead enough, doesn’t give me a lot of hope that there’ll be a lot of conscientious objectors in the military. My view is that if you’re already looking at the military as a career option you’ve got a certain opinion about killing and that opinion is that it’s okay to do it as long as someone else gave you the order. Absolutely no need to think about the legality of the order either.
Advocating moral responsibility for your actions is kind of a prerequisite of military service.
Each of the branches have long had many global peacetime missions, including humanitarian. They don’t offset the offensive nature of a deployed force, but it can be a good thing to have for delivering defense and aid.
The problem isn’t the enlisted. It is also not limited to the officers. The problem, at present, is primarily the civilian leadership being absolutely unprofessional, unethical, and self-centered.
This is like saying “don’t blame ICE, blame the executive branch”. Soldiers follow orders. The enlisted soldiers WILL kill US citizens resisting the government if ordered to. So yeah, they are part of the problem. Same with cops.
My point is that it isn’t enlisted people that decide on mission. And simply not enlisting doesn’t change that. If the numbers are needed, they will be achieved via volunteer or draft.
Enlisted may or may not attack citizens depending on their views on which orders are lawful. This is nothing like saying not to blame ICE. ICE are signing up to do exactly what they’re doing and should be responsible for it. But enlisted personnel don’t enlist to attack citizens, generally. I’m not saying they are not part of the problem, but they certainly aren’t the root of it.
I’m so tired of these “Ackchyually” excuses, pretending to be smart yet failing to see you are still pointing the finger at your collective selves
Those “civilian leadership being absolutely unprofessional, unethical, and self-centered” were appointed by the regime of the Orange Pedophile whom the American people voted for a second term in office… the vast majority of Americans either voted for this or could not be bothered opposing it with a simple vote they could have mailed in
I’m not “pretending to be smart”, at least not intending to do so. I’m just saying exactly what I said. The military branches all have some non-offensive parts of their mission. That’s just true. Airlift for aid delivery has traditionally been part of the mission, for example. I was also careful not to exonerate them for missions that cause harm or for violation of LOAC or UCMJ. They should know better.
I said the enlisted aren’t the primary problem. Maybe you think they pick and choose their missions, but they simply don’t. As far as voters… yeah many of us are pissed too. What do you want me to do? I vote, I try to persuade others to, try to do my part to keep the electorate informed, try to feed my family, etc. Are you asking us to build some fifth column or some such? That sounds great, but many have a lot of context that informs their decisions.
Let me ask you this. I believe this is true but let’s pretend it’s just a hypothetical scenario:
Democracy in the USA is over, no more elections, everyone lives under martial law and your precious enlisted are your direct oppressors now.
What are you willing to sacrifice to return your country to Democracy? your life? an hour of watching Netflix?
Let me remind you that you ARE in this scenario and the longer you wait, the harder it will be
I’m an immigrant, living in Europe, taking care of a few people that need me. I’m also a veteran with prosthetic discs in my back. Be specific; what do you suggest?
I should also add, to answer your question. I would absolutely lay down my life for the cause, but unless I can see a direct line from that to success, there is still a big, complex risk benefit equation I’m working on.
Since you already left America, I guess you did see the writing on the wall long ago (or maybe just got lucky)
Thinking you were in the USA, I was hoping you’d stop consuming as much as possible and start organizing marches… not on weekends to minimize disruption, on weekdays and preferably during peak hours so they can be noticed (and yes that can be done in whatever little town or big city people live, no need to pretend only marching in DC works)
Some of these comments are awful. Apparently, if we all aren’t wrapping ourselves and children with explosives and becoming Jihadists overnight, we’re not doing enough.
This is a class war. The rich have taken over all the checks and balances in our system to where they can break every rule and comfortably get away with it; all the while getting richer and us poorer. We’re powerless and spread too thin geographically to do anything meaningful. Maybe we do need to get that radical, but I really hope it doesn’t ever need to get to that point.
Here are concrete steps we can take to combat this (the titles below expand if you click them).
Learn First Aid! ⛑️
The future us likely to be violent, and It extremely important to have the skills to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt. You can never have too many medics.
Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.
But you’ll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.
Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step.
Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks ✊
If you haven’t already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.
These are groups using direct action to solve each other’s problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We’ve been building a list of resources in !inperson@slrpnk.net to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.
This isn’t only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don’t want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice.
Join a Union and Prepare for a General Strike! 💪
The most effective non-violent action we can take is preparing and organizing for a General Strike.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would’ve had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
If you aren’t in a union (or even if you are, it’s worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you’ll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn’t listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they’ll help you set up a new local branch.
Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️
Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.
Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.
Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.
Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.
We’ll start it off with some General Advice:
- Mentally wall off personal uniquely identifying info from your online presence, actively build a habit of opsec so that withholding information is your default mental state
- Be careful about who you meet online
- Use different, unrelated usernames, passwords & emails for every account. And try not to connect to those accounts with your real IP address (use Tor or a VPN)
- Be mindful that anything done online leaves a trail
- agents provocateurs may seek to find patsies willing to perform an ill-advised illegal activity in order to legitimize police repression. If someone is trying to pressure you, especially if you don’t have a long and proven history with them, be extremely wary.
For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you’ll need to scroll down. I’d add it here, but it won’t fit in this comment).
Ok but there is quite a way between going oh I don’t like what’s happening on social media and blowing yourself up.
Write to your representatives and make it extremely clear that if they want to be reelected they will stand up to Trump.
Massive protests, the No Kings protest were good but then you all kind of just gave up. Nothing violent but just a stubborn refusal to go along is all that is required. Boycott companies that support Trump, don’t buy the next iPhone (it’s basically the same phone every year anyway), don’t go to FIFA, don’t go to the Olympics, go to as many town meetings as you can and raise points of order and complain. Make it even possible for the powers that be to ignore the situation.
Just imagine you’re a French dock worker complaining about industrialisation.
Don’t waste your time writing to representatives. Democracy is gone, bud, you need to start imagining that you are living under the nazi regime. Arm yourself and network with activists. Make contacts now while you still can.
I only mentioned writing to representatives because the original poster was so keen to do nothing. Anything’s better than that kind of apathy.
Stop with the false fucking hope, wake the fuck up, and do something. God you people will be wringing your hands acting like there is nothing you can do right until the end.
JOIN A UNION. JOIN THE IWW. ORGANIZE. GET INVOLVED IN LOCAL PROTESTS AND NETWORK NETWORK NETWORK. FORM A GROUP CHAT FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. BUY A GUN AND LEARN TO USE IT.
Yes but apparently fighting fascistism is mildly inconvenient so they’re not going to do it.
Where did the original commenter say they weren’t doing these things? Or are you just not satisfied unless every random person on the internet is declaring they’re committing suicide by cop?
Where do you live, should I make assumptions about you? Are you out on the street right now calling for sanctions on US plutocrats? Are you in the USA and not seeing this networking happen on the ground? If so, where in particular and what are you doing about it? Otherwise, what conditions are making your networking successful and how can we replicate those? Because I promise your imagined passivity is not universal…
“Americans should improve their society somewhat.”
"Why do you want me to die? ? ? ! ! "
Masterful deflection of the questions
We’re powerless and spread too thin geographically to do anything meaningful. Maybe we do need to get that radical, but I really hope it doesn’t ever need to get to that point.
I was replying to this. I didn’t make any assumptions, I was replying directly to their claim that they’re powerless, unable to do anything meaningful, and that they felt hope that they wouldn’t need to get radical.
But do it faster, faster I say! I want to see American bodies in the street on the telly!
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Ahh yes, that’s such a wonderful approach to take. You sir are no better than Trump.
Edit: In fact you’re no better than the United States government at that. You’re sick.
I don’t want to see anyone dead, or suffering, but you have to acknowledge how fucking evil your country is if we are going to have this conversation. Your government is actively doing nazi shit, and you are trying to shame ME? I am begging you to DO SOMETHING TO STOP FASCISM, but all you can do is get upset about people chatting shit about your nazi fuck nation on the internet.
You just said “what comes around goes around” in regards to my country’s shitty behavior. You’ve lost all moral standing with me because of that and have shown you’re not reasonable. V
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Nobody is blaming you for what Trump is doing. Nobody is asking you to become terrorists and this hyperbole is extremely unhelpful. We are blaming you for the fact that we’re not seeing protests every day that make the BLM protests seem like small gatherings. You guys are way past the point of being able to hope. Do something today. This is your country, so it’s your responsibility.
We are blaming you for the fact that we’re not seeing protests every day…
This is just not possible and the rich are banking on that. It would have to become much much worse before people will risk their own employment, access to medical benefits, and personal security so that we can march.
It’s easy to suggest those things but in reality it’s just not going to happen.
People in far worse circumstances than Americans got out in the streets and forced change.
The time to act is now, not in the future when they’re even more entrenched.
Sure, but name one that is as big and spread out like the US? We are unique in that regard.
Isn’t the whole point of the states that they basically operate like a bunch of smaller countries? You don’t have to protest enough to budge the feds, you just need to protest enough to remind your state that they can and should stand up against the feds.
Yes, and that’s happening in states with a federal presence. Look at the resistance in Minnesota or Chicago or LA or the DC area for example. But each state being their own independent polity means that what happens in Minnesota is not under the purview of any other government office until you get to Congress. I could riot at my state Capitol for eternity and that doesn’t change their power or jurisdiction, they can’t control Minnesota.
If most Americans wanted to resist the fed their best tangible option would be… A post office maybe? For all the glitz and bombast of ICE and other DHS jack boots there are probably sub 10k agents on the ground. If all 340 million Americans decided to oust the fed there are only about 8500 buildings to burn down nation wide, and most of those concentrated in a few specific states.
So unless you’re talking about balkanization and secession via inter-state compacts, there isn’t a ton of room for the headline-grabbing resistance that people want to see. And if it got to that point, every major US city would be rioting and ungovernable anyway.
what does it matter? if you live in buttfuck then march in buttfuck with the rest of your buttfuck habitants… where do you get that you have to travel to DC to march?
It’s easy to suggest those things but in reality it’s just not going to happen.
It’s even easier to make excuses for not doing it.
Some of these comments are awful. Apparently, if we all aren’t wrapping ourselves and children with explosives and becoming Jihadists overnight, we’re not doing enough.
LOL right… maybe just stop the endless excuses and do something, anything… stop consuming, hold a march on a weekday, write to your corrupt Senator or House Rep weekly
The real problem here is that you have given the world Chlamydia but want to sit there pretending it is not your fault and any effort on your part is just asking too much
Agreed
Those Epstein files must be absolutely fucking insane for Donny.
We got <1% of the files, heavily redacted and it was still fucking wild. I cannot imagine how batshit fucking crazy the actual files are
What if Q was someone deeply embedded in the Epstein shit, but also a right-wing fascist so they just spun it all as Democrats doing all the evil shit?
Sounds like you’re describing the whole “every accusation is a confession…” projection shit that the GOP has been doing for 40 years.
We know who Q is. It’s Ron Watkins.
This is what i think is close to the truth because I was there at the beginning of pizza gate. The story now is completely different. It started with a republican owned pizza place that had a basement and everything. Then all of a sudden it’s comet over here! And look at this! A crazy has shown up to shoot! Oh now you’re the asshole if you bring up that conspiracy!
Fucking convenient that shit was. That was before Q too.
(Oh this was before/during the clear /r/conspiracy shift/takeover of the right wing) ahhhhhh they now you sound crazy if you talk about it. Fuck em.
Probably like even worse than the Sasha Riley accusations.
It’s not just insane for him… pretty much all of the political power of the Middle East is also in those files. It has a reach that goes beyond borders of the US so they’re actually scared about what will happen when Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, Muhammad bin Nayef, Netanyahu, etc all show up in pictures and financial records.
It’s the entire worlds power more likely.
Ya, you’re probably right
…except Epstein files are the distraction.
Maybe the Epstein files were the friends we made along the way.
The orange thing must’ve raped loads of children to go to these lengths to distract from it all.
The thing is, in the current US i don’t see him being affected by it no matter how horrific the contents are
There was a tip line call about him being present for the execution of his own bastard newborn and then discarding it into a lake. I mean yeah that’s not evidence but who makes that shit up? Knowing that he was putting girls into those kinds of situations etc and then calls the FBI tip line with it?
Like, you really gonna call them up with a lie about the one of the most prominent people in American society? How do you think that’s gonna go for you?
So, yeah my conclusion is that there is stuff in there that would make rotten.com look tame.
Donald Trump is America’s Jimmy Savile.
so hot they’re literally on fire right now.
If the U.S. pulls out of NATO, losing Greenland will be the least of Europe’s worries.
It will become obvious at least two weeks before it happens, since we’d need to move aircraft carriers, etc. there. Also, they’d be fools to resist.
No, I’m not supporting this at all, I’m just stating facts.
The US economy would collapse
Honestly if this happens I’m sorry to the normal people there but I’d be in favor of nuking the US over this. We can’t let another Hitler get his way nomatter the consequences.
I’m guessing you didn’t think that through. The US is the second largest nuclear power in the world. The US has more nukes than India, Pankistan, Israel, and North Korea combined. Even if the US was hit first, or if Washington was vaporized, hundreds of US nukes would still launch from submarines, silos, and bombers. Poke the bear, and they’ll realiate. Trust me, nuclear war isn’t something you want. Why do you think it hasn’t happened since 1945?
I’m fairly sure the divided states have more operational nukes than the rest of the world combined. Meaning nuking them will end with near total annihilation of the planet. Accomplishing what exactly?
Honestly I’m fine with that. Everyone dies might as well stand for something.
At least I’d die with the knowledge China’s going to absolutely smash you when you have no allies.
Don’t get me wrong, I am with you on “might as well stand for something” - I just don’t agree with being the party to use WMD. Even if I had nukes and someone was sending their nukes to me, I wouldn’t fire back. What’s the point in taking everyone with me when I won’t be around anymore?
Because your weakening them for the next guy, likely China in this case. WMD should be a last resort but this is America the only way to fight back is hitting them with absolutely everything. What happens when Trump decides he wants the UK or Australia for a golf course .
Fuck him we will all go together.
Leaving the planet uninhabitable and killing off not only civilians as well as countless animals is the kind of pettiness that has me believe humans do not deserve to evolve.
Why did you get down voted? Back then US nuked Japan to stop the war. Why not now? It’s a fair game.
And how many deaths would nuking America save before they invade Greenland? It’s a net negative my dude. If you’re going to quote history, you should probably understand it. Invading Japan would have cost millions of Japanese, American, and European lives. Nuking Japan killed hundreds of thousands to save millions.
Nuking the US is just going to kill hundreds of millions to save Greenland, and give any surviving MAGA a literal excuse to nuke the planet for Billionaires to then buy up for pennies in the dollar.
Nuking the US won’t stop them. That’s what they want. It’s why they used their money to buy their way into US politics. The US can now just be blamed for this bullshit instead of the billionaire puppet masters that are behind it. It’s those billionaires that want Greenland, not the US.
There’s like 8 of them too. You just need to kill those 8 people and pretty much the entire fucking world will prosper.
They’ll survive the US getting nuked though, as their plan is to buy up your government next. And they likely already are.
Guess Americans I can’t blame them or maybe other Europeans who don’t want to escalate.
I don’t believe in half measures though, history kind of shows them to be pointless. I figure an invasion of a nato country is unrestricted war.
Unfortunately I’m thinking this means they have some kind of info that a credible attack is imminent. Fuck.
Easy - I’m danish and the PM from both Denmark and Greenland just said, that they can’t rule out an armed attack, but only because the US doesn’t rule it out. Very different from telling people to prepare for an invasion.
Clickbait strikes again?
This brings back memories about when Russia was about to attack Ukraine.
Maybe the alien invasion from outer space we were expecting since Independence day. was just the Americans using either their space force toys or the solar warden fleet to take over the world?
Alien abductions always seemed like fascist black bagging to me.
Can Trump just… not? When is the grim reaper coming for him? PLEASE I hope every night he dies the next day (legally and naturally).
This doesn’t stop with Trump. They voted for Trump and they voted for the congress that protects him. They will just pick another person that does the same thing, but probably sounds less stupid while doing it. This is an America problem.
Their voting is rigged. The people should not rely on that system
I and many people I know have spent our whole lives trying to change the rigged system of FPTP/single-member constituency voting with the further distortion of state-based apportionment.
The issue, as with any rigged system, is that it’s really hard to un-rig unless either the people benefitting from the rigging let it change (lol) or there’s a major upheaval—usually a war. It took WWI for the German voting system to be un-rigged in favor of the Junkers and Belgium to end their rigged system, and it took a civil war in America to end the 3/5 Compromise which was a start in the right direction and then a decade plus of sustained sctivism for the civil rights movement to see a real impact in voting rights.
The thing with the USA is they are permanently at war, and no war has changed the system. The people benefiting from it are thriving in their political system. What’s gonna happen when this two things can’t change the system? I’m afraid it’s gonna be a Civil conflict.
We’ve been in a cold civil war for years now. It’s just getting hotter and hotter.
I’ve been to marches that were literally planned by children afraid of their futures and boomer men showed up with guns to scare them.
I agree, but these local policies completely opposed to the federal government will bring an armed conflict. If the National Guard decides to back one governor instead of staying loyal to Trump, to name one circumstance, then that may spark a national conflict. This is not the most probable thing to happen, with Black Panthers in the streets already, but it’s a delicate state of things. We have a saying for this that applies to Trump and the USA: it’s like freeing a goat in a glassware shop.
It’s crazy that I’m kinda hoping for a civil war, at this point. I don’t see any way out of this that isn’t an armed conflict.
I didn’t come here until I was a teen and I was deposited into a state that is pretty hostile to everything that I am. My wife came to the US when she was 17 and its been a struggle for her since day 1.
I am so beyond exhausted.
Check out the Election Truth Alliance. Definitely sketchy in some ways so take it with a MASSIVE grain of salt, but it could be on to something.
Nah. This specific thing is all him.
Edit: shit, and Stephen miller, but he’s gone with trump I think.
He would have been legally fired a long time ago if he was alone.
His voters support him and are clueless about his actions and the world. Most republican representatives are just going along with it because he’s so powerful with his cult.
“His voters” being most of the people that cast votes in the presidential election, so yeah, its really not “just him” is it?
He has some kind of magical hold on his cult members. Of course the conservative propaganda machine (Fox, Newsmax, OANN, Twitter, TikTok) are so adeptly tuned to keep them brainwashed, but Trump himself is a once in a generation talent for leading the cult.
Really I’m so impressed at how efficient the propaganda machine keeps the base so angry and so oblivious to reality. It’s completely terrifying, but really really effective.
The magical hold is simply telling them what they want to hear. They are responding to their racist fascist desires being validated.
They don’t support his ideas and actions. They’ve never thought about most of them. They support him and if he switched stances tomorrow they would follow.
Right. They support whatever his ideas are at the time, no matter how absurd or contradictory.
It’s not. He is just the figurehead for their regime.
They know Trump’s on his last legs. Peter Thiel put that fuckhead JD Vance in there for a reason. Things will escalate quickly if/when he becomes president.
I beg to differ. His cult is hard carrying. Republican politicians don’t mind reversing all their opinions at the drop of a hat because opposing his cult has proven to be (until recently) political suicide. The [legal and natural] death of Donald Trump would leave the party in shambles. Susie Wiles and Stephen Miller need a figurehead and there isn’t any that can court maga.
It definitely does continue to some extent. He’s not only the cause but also a symptom of a rotten society. However, he is a once in a generation talent at leading the cult. While Vance is “fully enlightened” (as Yarvin and Thiel have said), he can’t command that same kind of magical hold on the cult.
I fully believe the fascism and shit continues. I’m not sure the Greenland thing does though. It seems like a weird personal obsession.
Natural resources becoming more accessible due to climate change and military positioning. I unfortunately doubt this ends with Trump.
I hope he dies illegally and unnaturally
I don’t care how he dies. Just soon. And ideally very painfully.
Actually that would be secondary. Ideally, he rots in prison for the rest of a long miserable life, where he can see the media and his own followers criticize, make fun of, and torment his little impotent insecurity. He’s never going to prison though, so…
Trump is a symptom, not the cause.
100% but he does have a magical hold on so many idiots. The conservative machine knows this is a once in a generation occasion so they’re trying to accomplish everything before he’s gone. Once he’s gone, Vance won’t be able to control that rabid base as well.
It’ll still be a nightmare I’m sure, but not as bad.
He’s a fetish or a lightning rod, without him there’s a solid chance the movement loses cohesive flow. Its far easier to kick a concussed coyote by itself than a pack of the things.
Hoping the problem just resolves itself and doing nothing will, well, so nothing.
“We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of options!!!”
