I am not saying that I want DMs enabled to mods, and a modmail, and for a post to remain accessible after being removed, and for notifications to be sent to people upon their content being removed, but the lack of all 4 at the same time is what makes Lemmy difficult for people to handle, and will turn people away (likely back to Reddit).

Hot is popular, implies new bc who are we kidding

Active is… active as in ongoing discussion, even if it’s a week old

(Scaled is the one I never use, so someone else would have to take that one)

Yes, I mean he “started” it, even though he couldn’t keep up with it. I hope he is okay - when last I heard he was not.

It’s such a great project that Ernst started off for us all:-). Now I am excited more by what PieFed and Sublinks will offer in the future, but Mbin too - all 3 are amazing Lemmy alternatives to the Threadiverse, and thus important to have.

Blaze has put in a ton of work simplifying the former, and while the latter isn’t strictly only related to Lemmy.world, many other servers are much faster.

e.g. click on https://discuss.online/, see how it shows All (rather than Local) by default (that’s an issue with some), and Active. Click posts, see how fast images load, read the pinned posts and imagine how quickly the admin responds.

THEN if someone likes it, join. Many Redditors are in the USA, where discuss.online is also, so it’s a great match.

There are other instances, but showcasing that one is a great way to help guide people to what Lemmy is all about.

It strongly depends where you go here - e.g. !ChapoTrapHouse@hexbear.net was too extreme even for Reddit, so yeah the average here is WAY more chill, but we also have even more extremes here than they did there, if that makes sense.

It’s normal to want to avoid being abused and insulted for, say, having an opinion which is marginally different to the in-group consensus.

Sadly, I see that irl as well - perhaps text social media enhances the effect, maybe by virtue of being anonymous, but it’s definitely not an effect solely restricted to here.😢

Source: me who it just happened to an hour ago.😑

I have never felt more heard - I am so glad that you did not delete this.:-)

According to https://mbin.fediverse.observer/list, there are only ~1000 people using Mbin total these days, compared to like Lemmy with 43k and Pixelfed with far more.

Also Mbin’s primary claim to fame is connecting to both Lemmy and Mastodon, rather than being something on its own.

PieFed (with <200 users) is also overlooked for similar reasons, and Sublinks too (well, that one doesn’t even exist yet:-).

Or think of it this way: Mbin gets represented twice by two different icons in the image! :-D

You can test that assumption at your convenience by making a post or even just a reply in !ChapoTrapHouse@hexbear.net. I don’t think it will turn out like you hoped.:-)

My point is that it highly depends which community you say something in. The more niche the more likely that is to be true but the popular ones seem full of people just waiting to dunk on people’s poor judgement - ChapoTrapHouse even explicitly says that right in the sidebar area!:-P

How would the users message mods directly when the modlog just says “mod”? They could message each one directly, or mass spam all at once, but in general the tools are highly biased to protect mods rather than grant power to the content creators.

On Reddit - which I haven’t used since practically the Rexodus so am definitely not shilling for it here - after a post is removed, people can still continue to discuss things in it. So if I typed a long reply to someone it would still make its way to them. Here, it’s just poof gone, and a whole long response, possibly not even to OP but to someone else, I can’t even send it anymore. All of those discussions that the OP spawned - they are all just gone. Nor can I look them up later if I have the URL - the entire post is gone, not simply removed from the community listing of posts but taken away from the community entirely, all of the work put in, by The People, removed from them by a possibly capricious mod. With no recourse to do much of anything except complain.

I already mentioned how the admins have more freedom yes, so I am talking here strictly below that level, the interactions between mods and content creators.

Remember the context of this thread is me responding to “People still wonder why Lemmy has a bad reputation even in the entire Fediverse…” So my purpose is not to whinge but to discuss practical solutions to improving that reputation. Putting the power back into the hands of The People rather than mods would go a LONG way. Like, even just sending a notification upon removal of a post or comment - there is much that Reddit does that if we did, would help. Or perhaps we can find even better solutions, but not if we don’t even so much as try.

Also, even if you did become your own instance admin, that does next to nothing for you if you still want to interact with people on other instances - it allows you to create your own communities on your own instance, but if you want to make comments on OTHER communities on OTHER instances, then everything that I said above still holds true - you still don’t get a notification if your content is removed, you still can’t continue conversations or even so much as view posts that have been removed, etc. Looking at the moderation practices of the Lemmy developers used on Lemmy.ml explains so much of why admins and mods have so much power, but the individual posters have so little. In some ways

Reddit is more authoritian - at the top - but in other ways we are even more so here than there. We need to do better. I doubt that we will, but we should. Although we won’t unfortunately, which means that people will remain on Reddit. Especially the ones who already seem okay with spez - to them, there seems not much to entice them to come here, for an objectively worse experience, for someone who doesn’t want to put in the effort to learn how federation works much less to host their own instance? At which point we seem to me to be deluding ourselves - “People still wonder why Lemmy has a bad reputation even in the entire Fediverse…”, bc we are not honest about who and what we are. e.g. we may be Linux users and self-hosters, who nonetheless still have fewer rights in some ways than we did on Reddit. Which we were fine with bc the software is still being developed but… how long has it been since the Rexodus, and we have seen little improvements made in some of these areas? And in this particular area, actual negative progress made bc the modlog used to say the name of the account of who removed something, whereas now it just says “mod” - which would be fine if there were a modmail, but again, there isn’t.

I am not counting negative progress as “progress”. And I am losing all hope for Lemmy to ever improve in these regards yes - in fact I no longer recommend it to anyone, ever, bc I’ve been burned far too often on that in the past. I do still hold out strong hopes for the Fediverse tools though - Mbin, PieFed, and possibly Sublinks all show much promise for the Threadiverse (or whatever name for forum-based Fediverse). One day far from now Lemmy will remain the tankie Threadiverse, and people won’t be dependent upon having to choose between just Reddit vs. it, bc there will finally be other options, and people will begin to be more free. And before you argue back: yes, it was thanks to Lemmy that got us here (or more to Kbin for me and so many others). But that is no reason to not seek to continue to improve by putting power into the hands of The People, even if Lemmy is not willing or even if it wants to head in the exact opposite direction.

For the image issue, if it is a link then wouldn’t Lemmy detect that already? Links to news articles and such at least work that way but I don’t know about images.

I don’t even bother with the largest communities here anymore, which all seem like circle jerk echo chambers to me. Of the top 10 communities on Lemmy.World, I am no longer subscribed to any of them. And then of the next 10, I am only subscribed to Not the Onion and Fediverse.

Just like Reddit, the largest ones have most of the toxicity. The niche subs are way more chill. Unfortunately, being on Lemmy.World you can’t interact with any of the content on Beehaw - which has odd moderation behaviors, chief among them being that people must be "nice* whatever that means.

So more niche subs might be to your liking as well. You can’t force people to like what you say though, only either tailor your comments to match their viewpoints or else move to where yours are at least respected and hopefully even welcomed.

I see that hexbear.net, lemmygrad.ml, and Lemmy.ml are all recommendations there. So there might be a problem with that plan… They hate the West, whereas people in Reddit are FROM the West, and overall even if they join Lemmy, I cannot imagine them remaining here for very long.

I almost quit Lemmy after even just a couple of mere discussions with people on those instances - I sure as fuck would not have stuck around if my entire instance was surrounded by them!

Would YOU join Truth.Social, the Alt-Right network? Well, here at Lemmy, we are the Alt-Left one. It is zero surprise to me at all that centrists on Reddit are not desiring to come to this place that is so highly unwelcoming to them anyone who does not use Linux btw.

You were just joking around, right? Well, perhaps they were too. If you want it assumed about you, perhaps go ahead and assume it about then. That way, even if the former does not happen, at least you will definitely have the moral high ground regardless. Now, what was it that Obi Wan always says about the high ground…? :-P

That did make some sense… at one time, on Reddit or Facebook, but damn times have changed since then. Though teenagers have not :-).

I mean, PieFed has some really cool thoughts about doing exactly that… I’m hoping for a lot there.

As it is, Lemmy is simply a more authoritarian version of Reddit - at the low level I mean, next to the users, who e.g. have no modmail recourse to discuss anything, nor even receive a notification that their content has been removed. Even while it is also open source so allows instance admins greater freedom to implement whatever policies they choose - disabling downvotes for example.

Anyway the more the technology can do the less reliance upon human efforts to moderate. e.g. to facilitate automated community discovery, so that there is lowered barriers to getting away from bad moderators.

Oh excuse me, while I convert my entire personality to incorporate that energy…

There, done! I am now okay with murdering anyone who is okay with, ah… murdering a uh… wait, I may see a problem here.:-P

I guess I am a snowflake too then, bc to me consent should matter. And while the USA is a part of the world, and also has an oversized effect upon it due to the size of the economy and trade deals and the like, it also can be overwhelming for some, who feel ostracized and left out as if only the big guys (and guns) matter.

But on the other hand, it is known that moderation sucks across the vast majority of Lemmy - it’s somewhat baked right into the tools themselves, e.g. removing whole posts rather than merely taking them out of the community lists but allowing people to continue their discussions already begun, as Reddit does.

So you may want to take it upon yourself to either start blocking by keywords (maybe find an app that allows that - I’m not sure which ones), or user accounts that do that, or even find a better community to engage with.

Though I agree with your conclusion: I no longer recommend Lemmy to people irl by virtue of having been burned by that far too many times before. We’re toxic AF in this Alt-Left (rather than Alt-Right) “Nazi bar” space, and a lot of the people here are legit those banned from Reddit for exactly that behavior.