• qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website
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    16 days ago

    The thing that fascinates me is that every single digital microwave I’ve ever used behaves the same way, and allows the “seconds-place” to be 0-99.

    My best guesses are

    • There’s some ASIC that’s been around forever and everyone uses it (a cockroach chip like the 555)
    • The first digital microwave did this and all subsequent ones followed
    • There’s actually some implementation reasons why this is way more sensible.

    Writing it in software, there are different ways that folks would probably implement it, for example, “subtract one, calculate minutes and seconds, display” seems reasonable. But nope, every one I’ve ever used is just the Wild West in the seconds department.

  • maria [she/her]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    so did they assume a colon was I between those? like this 1:20 instead of 120?

    if not, the microwave probably either has a bad display, is is badly programmed… or im missing something.

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      It’s just the way microwaves are programmed. Same reason 99 cooks longer than 100. It interprets a 100, 200, etc as minutes. I think most microwaves handle anything over 100 as minute + seconds, treating it like it had a : in there.

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    Well, on a more serious note, it is odd that some microwaves let you type in 90 and time down from “90” instead of “1:30”. I should type in something like 190 and see what it does. My bet is it only does the weird seconds format when it’s 99 seconds or less. Because obviously 100 would be a minute, not 100 seconds.

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      I tried 190. Its counts down 90 seconds to 1:00 before rolling over to 0:59.
      190 is 2 minutes and 30 seconds.

      I’ve also tried 0 and it just beeps.

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        Its counts down 90 seconds to 1:00 before rolling over to 0:59.

        I love that someone made that feature.

        “Look, people are morons, just let them enter up to 99 seconds”

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          It’s just a display that’s 00:00 to 99:99 it’s the simplest possible logic for the use case.

          That’s why 00:90 is longer then 01:00. And +1:00 is less than +00:60 sometimes. You have to roll over 00:99 with +00:01 to hit 01:00.

          Iv rarely seen some microwaves with a +1 second button and they act this way.

          Like microwaves best as I can tell have worked like this since the 70s the expections are absurdly rare.

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      16 days ago

      I used to have an old digital 24h clock and one time I was watching close to midnight. It went from 23:58 to 23:59, then a minute later 24:00 blinked for a second before it went to 0:00.

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        ISO-8601 has some cases where 24:00 is allowed in place of 0:00, or at least it used to. Maybe new editions removed it.

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          Sure, but not for one second before reconsidering. That was some weird jank in the way the clock was put together.

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      Honestly it’s a nice feature.

      I have a thing that takes 45 seconds to warm. I take two of them, type in 90 and it just works!

      Of course that breaks down if I take four of them and type in 180, but meh. Worst case is that it’ll be a little cold.

      • JackbyDev@programming.dev
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        15 days ago

        Well hold your horses, why does heating up two take exactly twice as long? Your microwave heats everything inside. I can understand it being longer, but exactly twice as long? Hmmm… I think we need more data.

        • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
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          why does heating up two take exactly twice as long?

          A microwave works by exciting the water molecules in an object. They start to vibrate from the microwave energy hitting it, and vibrating molecules is what heat is. The microwave energy mostly bounces around inside the metal microwave until it hits something that has water (which is why you should never turn it on empty), so it doesn’t really get wasted.

          So, if you put twice as much stuff inside, it will take twice as much energy to heat it to the same temperature, so at the same setting it will take twice as much time.

          If you want to get nitpicky, it will require very slightly over twice as long, because by needing more time to warm up, it will give off more energy to the air around it, so you need to compensate. But the question of “how much will my food cool down in 90 seconds compared to 45 seconds” should be answered by “shut up dude” and not with a number.

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      Microwaves basically always assume leading zeros so microwaves are ALWAYS in 00:00 format no matter what’s displayed.

      So 90 is 00:90, and the max it can do is 99:99 the moment you realize this everything makes perfect sense why they act that way.

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    16 days ago

    As a side note, I’m glad my early teen Yahoo Answers account was purged before I became an adult and the internet archived everything

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      More people to understand and internalize this idea.

      There’s nothing wrong with ignorance. It’s refusing to recognize and correct ignorance that’s the problem.

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    And despite all this, Remmy P. can still form babby.

    (And vote. And drive a car, keep and bear a firearm, etc.)

    Scary.

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      No, it’s not.

      Scary is the guy who can form babby, and drive and own a gun, who is also absolutely and completely convinced that they are right about everything.

      Remmy P is not the problem, because Remmy P encountered a situation where their poor information didn’t mesh with reality and immediately stopped and asked for help. Remmy P is learning. Remmy P recognizes their ignorance.

      There are people with PhDs who do not have this basic life skill.

      Those people scare me. Remmy P just needs a little help.

      Remember, everyone is a fucking idiot sometimes. Even (especially) smart people.

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        You know what, that’s a fair point. It does take some humility to be able to admit that one might be wrong. And it seems like that kind of humility is somewhat hard to come by these days.

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    16 days ago

    Around eighteen years ago I linked a Yahoo! question to a then friend of mine. He said “I love Yahoo! Answers, trolls trolling trolls.”

    Not sure why this comes to mind at the moment …

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      My favorite story about yahoo Answers is that I was a huge troll. Like, telling people the wrong thing in recipes, and certain things was interchangeable. All lies. And I don’t know shit about food.

      And worse, id get lots of Helpful reviews.

      Then a decade later Yahoo Answers sent me a email saying that some of my answers were Abuse and would be banned.

      So for 10 whole years, my lies were up?

      Then the year after, yahoo answers was deactivated.

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      16 days ago

      I microwave in multiples of 11 (up to 99) because I figure hitting the same button twice is slightly faster than finding the 0 button.

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      My microwave waits to start counting down until it’s been energized

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    ok seriously what kind of microwave does everyone have? none i’ve ever used had a builtin calculator that let you add 60 to 60

    the only thing i’ve ever seen that was addable was +30 on the turn on button, and that one when pressed twice always adds a minute