Well, that confirms that, thank you for popping in!

I’ve had to register my username in every different instance because of the person impersonating me.

Friend, I know that feeling. I used to get nagged on for having my username on different instances, and now people are finding out why I had to do that.

https://lemmy.world/comment/19388325

Look what instance the mod from conservative2 linked from.

Briefly skimming that… one idea that comes to mind would be if maybe users have more ability to fine tune but also customize not just one ‘feed’, but many.

Like different playlists for spotify kinda.

Don’t just have comms I’m subbed to.

Let me sub, but also, let me as a user, sub to it, and put it in my minifeed that i name… politics, or news, or tech stuff, or, happy animal pictures, or whatever.

Afaik, you could do that all clientside, maybe not in lemmy itself, but certainly via a frontend app or some other kind of way of viewing lemmy.

You can do what I just described with NewPipe, for youtube viewing without ads.

So this way, instead of ‘all’ ‘local’ and ‘subs’, you have like ‘custom subgroup of subs 1, 2, 3, etc’.

Having that paradigm on its own may significantly alter the perspective of the average user toward ‘i am responsible for the kind of stuff i see’ and thus take a more active role in curating their own content, as opposed to just expecting someone else to do that for me, and complaining/lashing out when i see things that i dont like.

There are a number of ( lemmy ) instances that have a ‘conservative’ comm.

At one point, one of those was run by a genuine conservative mod… but they then abandoned it.

Then another person… it may possibly have been SMCF, but I am not sure about that… took it over and then ran it as a parody of itself, for a bit.

Then a ‘conservative2’ popped up as another ‘genuine’ comm.

All the above is my best vague recollection and should not be considered highly accurate.

Nonetheless… if something actually did play out along those lines… this fits the reddit style MO of meta-drama based naming conventions.

It would also fit with the general online right wing agitator MO of intentionally sewing confusion as to who is who and what is what.

It’s from !conservative2@lemmy.today (which seems to have been deleted or removed?). I don’t get why the move to a new comm when they already control !conservative@lemmy.today.

I’m guessing it’s supposed to serve as an alternative to an identically named subreddit.

Just checked, conservative2 was banned from reddit 3 years ago, so probably not.

For what its worth, I cross posted this, I did not write the original title, and I also agree that simply being a conservative instance is a terrible reason for defederation, muchless automatically.

What I do have a problem with is Power Tripping Bastards who enforce rules that are not stated, who have double standards, who are hypocrites.

Myself formerly being a conservative from a conservative household… I held not being a hypocrite as a higher virtue than anything else from my default worldview, and I altered my worldview instead of abadoning my integrity.

There are doubtlessly other such people, who could potentially be persuaded, as I was, by sound arguments, appeals to empathy, ‘think of it from the point of view of the other’.

However at the same time… no one is or should be obligated to deal with having to argue with or try to teach hostile and aggressive people all the time.

I would personally prefer a standard of who is federated/defederated to whom be based more on the capacity of the mods and admins to have reasonable rules and also enforce those rules reasonably.

Not merely on face value political alignment alone.

Donald J Musk does not want conversion in his posts, he does not want debate, he does not want to argue. He only wants adulation and praise. He goes as far as locking posts so no one can comment. The only thing you are left is block, or down vote his misinformation.

Voting isn’t a Lemmywide opinion score

That is precisely what it is. I would say that browsing only a particular community’s content and none other is not the most common way that people look at Lemmy.

It’s ok for mods to say “this community is only for people who actually like its subject”.

Dude what kind of content are people posting that is prompting any detectable number of people to run around downvoting all of it?

Personally my opinion is that if you’re using multiple accounts to artificially inflate your number of up or downvotes, you’re doing something wrong, but if you just don’t like a bunch of content, it doesn’t really matter whether “you are part of the community” or like its subject in terms of whether or not you should be allowed to enter downvotes. That’s why they’re there, for stuff that people don’t like. You can always visit an instance which just doesn’t allow downvotes, if you feel your stuff needs to be insulated from anyone being able to say that they don’t like it.

As far as I can tell, they do not have any language in their legal page that specifically describes serial downvoting as a bannable offense.

Nor do they really even seem to have anything that attempts to outline a general or specific concept of intentional manipulation, or what would constitute a violation of that ‘good faith’ you describe.

Like, I get you, that if they actually are serial downvoters, that is generally bad.

However:

Have an actual ruleset that describes that.

So that people can maybe see that is a thing they should not do.

The alternative is that this all falls under an extremely vague and nebulous concept of their first sidebar rule, which is highly non specific, extremely prone to totally arbitrary enforcement.

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EDIT:

The ‘tankie’ instances are notorious for banning and deleting comments with more or less this same, often viewed as BS methodology:

Everyone who says something they don’t like, just gets removed via Rule 1, which is similary vague and arbitrary, subject to ad hoc interpretation.

Just go look through this comm’s history to see that.

So… there is precedent for my line of thinking here.

I’ve suggested something like that as a more advanced admin feature but they told me to implement it as a plugin, so I’m waiting until that’s possible

Suppressing votes is manipulating them.

The idea here is that wanton banning of people who downvote things is the issue.

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They could be doing this in a documented, organized, vote bridage fashion.

They could be doing it in an entirely self directed manner.

And between those two things is a spectrum.

There could also be downvote bots.

Or, maybe they’re just being falsely accused of something like that, without good evidence.

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But the problem that I see is that… there is no actual rule or rule set to cover any of this, on lemmyusa, nothing exists describing the acceptable bounds of how often and when you csn downvote.

And what that means is that all these people are being banned arbitrarily, which means that there no real rules, the real rule is ‘the admin/mods ban/delete whatever they don’t like’, which would make them Power Tripping Bastards.

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Actual legit admins and mods will always have a degree of their own discretion and interpretation of rules.

Evaluating those edge cases is an important function of this comm, as is also allowing people such as yourself to inadvertently self-report when they break fairly clearly defined rules and norms, and erroneously identify this as impartial, unfair moderation.

But when mods/admins offer very dubious reasoning for their actions when they are clearly following unstated rules or have obvious double standards… this is bad, and we try to discuss that here.

What are we going to get called this time, tankies, fascists, or libs? Place your bets

Why would it?

Are you really so stupid as to have just here outed your alt account?

EDIT:

Well done.

please do not tell me how to vote from my own account because you are not the police thanks