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This is a truly WTF moment about messed up responses to X11 session removal in Gnome.

2 weeks ago I published a blogpost about the upcoming plans of GNOME 49 and the eventual removal of the X11 session. Since then, instead of looking at feedback, bugs and issues related to the topic, we all collectively had to deal with the following, and I am not exaggerating one bit:

  • Fascists and Nazis
  • Wild Conspiracy Theories that make Qanon jealous
  • “Concerned” Trolling about the Accessibility of the Wayland session
  • A culture war where Wayland is Gay, and X11 is the glorious past they stole from you

In my wildest dreams I could have never made this shit up. You all need mandatory supervised access to the Internet from now on.

  • trevor (he/they)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    1226·
    3 months ago

    This probably has a lot to do with the new DOA XServer fork being “anti-DEI” (pro-discrimination). When these slimy shitweasels go out and vice signal about how bigoted they are, they congregate around it and form a new harassment campagin because they have no life.

    Sorry you’re getting harassed. I hope you can take solace in the fact that these little pissbabies lead miserable lives.

  • CodexArcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    797·
    2 months ago

    There is no place for Fascists within the Open Source and Free Software communities or the society at large. You will never fester your poisonous roots here. Go back to the cave you crawled out from where no sunlight can reach.

    NAZI! DEVS! FUCK! OFF! 💯

    • LiveLM@lemmy.zipEnglish
      28·
      2 months ago

      Can confirm, having my different refresh rate monitors play nice with each other is extremely homosexual.

    • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
      111·
      2 months ago

      … Does this imply that Wayland has a penis?

      Asking… For science, or something, I dunno what is going on.

    • Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
      5·
      2 months ago

      X11 is on/under your ass?
      Maybe they were both gay all along, that’s why we enjoy their sessions so much.

  • CoyoteFacts@piefed.caEnglish
    491·
    3 months ago

    As a commenter on that post says, this sort of talk is also common in the comments of Phoronix articles. The commenter says they’ve completely stopped supporting Phoronix since it’s clear that Michael enables this behavior by not moderating it (the least he could do is disable commenting; the type of people that are in the Phoronix comments are the absolute worst). It’s been festering for a very long time, unfortunately. Click any Phoronix article that’s older than a day and check the negativity. Worse, click an article about a controversial topic like X11/Wayland/Systemd/bcachefs/KDE/GNOME/etc. and it’s just a shitshow.

    I’ve been seeing it to a lesser degree here as well. I don’t know what it is about X11 that really riles up the conspiracy theorists.

    • Feyd@programming.dev
      25·
      3 months ago

      YES. Phoronix articles are good but the comment sections are insane. There are a few very vocal users that would have been banned on any reasonably moderated forum, and they largely chase out the reasonable people.

      Also, occasionally there is an article about CoC or something that is obviously going to bring the loonies out of the woodwork. The comment section will get closed, but not until after the giant flamewar has gone on for a bit. Michael has to know that’s going to happen and make the decision not to close it immediately when he makes the post.

    • Maiq@lemy.lol
      6·
      2 months ago

      The only thing I miss about X11 is xscreensaver. I hope the dev makes a port for wayland one day. I dont care if it ever has screen locking, i just want bouncing cows.

    • lai, a supersonic warrior@piefed.socialEnglish
      11·
      2 months ago

      lol Lunduke shot against Michael (Phoronix) and you, which seem to be from the other political side now aswell! xD

      i think michael is doing a good job moderating and in his voverage of xlibre.

  • fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.comEnglish
    37·
    2 months ago

    There is no place for Fascists within the Open Source and Free Software communities or the society at large. You will never fester your poisonous roots here

    So who took the blog post down at Gnome?

  • potatoguy@potato-guy.space
    4912·
    3 months ago

    All these “concerned” comments about systemd, wayland, etc, always seemed dog whistling to me. I have critiques about these projects, but the specific things this specific type of people says always comes coded in some form of racism/transphobic/mysoginistic rethoric. Just changed from gamergate to linuxgate.

    So i’m not surprised that they turned mask off like this.

    Look at any anti-systemd channel, the comments are always the worst thing ever. Some lkml reading channels have these comments too.

    • cubism_pitta@lemmy.world
      344·
      3 months ago

      The systemd and the Wayland debate both feel very similar.

      At the end of the day the old method of using init scripts was becoming inadequate and needed to change

      Wayland debate seems the same, switching to Wayland has been talked about for over a decade. The change has been coming and frankly I was expecting it a lot earlier

      Whats neat about linux though is if you have nothing better to do and are knowledgeable enough to bitch about all of this; then you also have the technical prowess to standup an install of your favorite distro and get it to use X instead of Wayland and init scripts instead of systemd

      For me as an enduser I hope Wayland enables more modern features to be delivered more easily as X has felt old for a while.

    • ricecake@sh.itjust.works
      24·
      3 months ago

      I’m just confused. Like, how would someone even connect Linux software to those topics?
      I totally believe you that they do, and I’m not actually interested in hearing messed up shit, I’m just…

      If you asked me which topics were unlikely to have bizarre vile messaging I would have listed window managers and init systems pretty high in the list.

      • Telorand@reddthat.com
        313·
        3 months ago

        You need to think of the kind of people that are interested in nerdy computing topics. Regular people that just want to make something nice to share with the world, sure, but also incels, toxic masculinity proponents, etc.

        They’re mostly able to hide, because like you point out, computer science and related topics are mostly apolitical; when you make scary changes, however, those same latter people can’t help themselves but to blame the villainous “They.”

        • ricecake@sh.itjust.works
          101·
          3 months ago

          Ugh. people can suck sometimes. I can comprehend the concept of bigotry and all that, but it just deeply does not make sense to me. And I think I’m ultimately okay with not being able to empathize with actual hatred.

          • Telorand@reddthat.com
            12·
            3 months ago

            It makes me sad that some of the “nerdy” people in these spaces would join with the very people that would gladly throw them under the bus or use them as minority fodder, but as I’ve seen with experts in science, high intelligence in one area doesn’t mean you are capable of critical thinking.

            ETA: to be clear, I’m not saying we should ignore scientists and experts, just that specialized expertise ≠ general expertise.

            • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
              6·
              2 months ago

              The two people I trust least on matters of science are some person who reckons it’s common sense and someone with a doctorate in something vaguely similar.

              The third and fourth are every engineer and every physician that isn’t actually an expert on the thing, but that’s because we think we know everything.

        • someacnt@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1·
          2 months ago

          I am definitionally incel, wanna say that does not make me a nazi. In fact, I despise the entire tenets of nazism.

          • Telorand@reddthat.com
            3·
            2 months ago

            Incel means more than the state of not being in a relationship, these days. Some very sad and terrible people turned it into a subculture that revolves around imaginary grievances directed at women.

            • someacnt@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              1·
              2 months ago

              That’s a pity, I guess some people direct their grudge to women instead of the faulty society which forced no-life lifestyle…

      • lime!@feddit.nuEnglish
        3·
        2 months ago

        it’s always been there. the most influential voices in the open source software world have always been overtly political. heck, the entire movement is inherently political. just read any of stallmans or raymond’s rants from the 90s.

        and while stallman is mostly just creepy because he’s not house trained, raymond is genuinely disturbing.

        • ricecake@sh.itjust.works
          5·
          2 months ago

          Oh, I totally know there’s been a lot of politics in the Foss community and that some of the people are nasty, I’m just flabbergasted that someone would try to connect such disparate things.
          I can comprehend a Nazi Foss enthusiast having opinions on race and on window managers. It’s when they start having racist opinions on window managers that it all flies out the window. It’s like being opposed to copper plumbing because it’s too Norwegian.

          Just a case of seeing irrational people who act irrationally act irrationally in a new way and being shocked that the irrationality doesn’t follow a pattern or stay in topic.

    • Victor@lemmy.world
      81·
      3 months ago

      switch from Gnome to a cooler window manager 🤷

      I think that’s easier for us to say, who actually do use something cooler. But for those whose workflow is messed up by this, I understand why they’re upset. But yeah, it’s time to move into the future, for real. High time.

        • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          2 months ago

          What? The last major change to the gnome workflow was going from vertical to horizontal workspaces, and that was several years ago.

          • Victor@lemmy.world
            51·
            2 months ago

            going from vertical to horizontal workspaces

            Do you mean vice versa? Or did they go back to horizontal again? 😅

              • Victor@lemmy.world
                2·
                2 months ago

                Oh wow, so they did. I have missed that 😅 I’ve been using i3 for like the last 10–15 years. Gnome being back to horizontal workspaces again like in GNOME 2 is wild to me. It’s a great change!

          • chortle_tortle@mander.xyz
            41·
            2 months ago

            Mostly just trash talking how so much basic functionality is in add-ons that break frequently with updates.

            • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              2 months ago

              You can disable version checking and have them run if you want to, although that’s probably not advisable.

  • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    313·
    2 months ago

    I do think ditching X11 is still slightly premature. For all its more modern features, there’s still a lot that Wayland either hasn’t implemented yet or “can’t do” because of its “security model.”

  • ViatorOmnium@piefed.socialEnglish
    22·
    3 months ago

    Is it so surprising that the mindset that makes people unable to face changes in one area of their lives also makes them unable to face changes in other areas?

  • Rusty Shackleford@programming.devEnglish
    10·
    2 months ago

    I use X11 over Wayland on KDE Neon for RustDesk compatibility. The Wayland support for that application is still in Beta from what I understand.

    Are there other reasons why I should keep X11? I am on AMD Ryzen 9 5950X paired with a RTX 3090 FE on 570-open drivers, for reference.