Literally the only thing I know about this movie is that the main character is gay, Disney really tried to make that a selling point.
He’s not even the main character, he’s a sidekick and not even the most prominent of the sidekicks really. (Despite the fact that he appears first in many character lists for the movie, the protagonist is Searcher)
Naturally, because if it was like Nimona, then the character can’t be edited out for regressive countries
Idk you’re really underselling Ethan’s role in the story. If anything him being gay is such a side plot it doesn’t even matter. But I wouldn’t say he is a “sidekick” lol
This post is the first time I’ve heard of the movie.
Apparently we’re not missing much.
Which is a shame, since this movie is really good and the message is great.
It’s a solarpunk-y movie about the dangers of fossil fuel and living with your environment.
Funfact to tell the haters(since I assume few if any are here): The gays are not doing this to Disney. Disney is doing this to the gays, they make 17 first openly this or that kind of queerness because they want the gay peoples money.
That’s the point of the meme, I thought?
Like… we know you’re just pandering, Disney.
Yeah, and maybe its just me, but I had never though before this meme to phrase my thoughts about it the way I did, and I like the way it explains where the ‘action’ is coming from very plainly, since I hear opponents of representation claim that it works in reverse and somehow the gays are forcing media conglomerates to bend to their will, instead of the media conglomerates putting out whatever extracts the most cash. Like I don’t expect the right leaners I know to understand and agree with this comment I’m typing, but I really feel like I could get somewhere if I phrased it like in the one you replied to. Of course not everyone can be moved in the first place, but its the idea I get from my experiences with them.
They will then counter this with “Well if they just shut up and minded their own business instead of telling everybody all about how much cock they suck, it wouldn’t matter”, completely missing the point that these folks have been minding their own business for centuries and regularly getting murdered for it, and also completely missing the extremely obvious parallels to Jim Crow and the civil rights movement (or maybe not, maybe that’s why they hate it so much). It is their opinion that they shouldn’t have to know you’re gay, and that you should have to live in fear of revealing that fact for your entire lifetime. And that’s just the crowd that doesn’t believe that homosexuality is a direct affront to God and should be stamped out as a moral imperative.
I’ve had this conversation before a few times, it always comes back around to the same points. Conservatives become extremely unconformable with the knowledge that The Gays® exist and typically wield misunderstood Bible quotation in defense of that. Those who don’t, will resort to the argument that they shouldn’t have to have it “thrust into their faces”, as though the knowledge that gay folks exist is some great personal burden to them. They will happily tell people to “mind their own business” and “keep it to yourself” so long as their lungs have air with which to speak, but when told themselves to mind their own damn business, suddenly this is unacceptable.
Disney claiming to be inclusive and still managing an incredible amount of gender stereotyping
They want both the queer dollars and the conservative family values dollars. They produce what they believe will be the most marketable to the most people.
They should just abstain from controversial shit and just make good movies.
I don’t remember any of their prior movies needing to push agendas for anything in particular.
I don’t remember any of their prior movies needing to push agendas for anything in particular.
Then you aren’t paying attention.
Gender-normative, male dominant relationships were the agenda. Since then, we’ve had an era of strong and independant - or at least stronger and more independant - female characters. Now we’re entering an era of deconstructing heteronormativity.
Things have been one way for so long that you perceive it as normal, and anything else as a divergenance meant to push an agenda. Every piece of media you’ve ever consumed has had an agenda and actively, consciously played to the stereotypes that would bring in the greatest viewership and reinforce the most commonly held stereotypes and opinions. This is no different; you just got used to one agenda in particular.
So what you’re saying is good content is good because it appeals to the audience and we are now purposefully not appealing to the vast, overwhelming majority of human beings which is why Disney and other companies that chase that temporary trend are failing in droves.
Got it.
So only one specific agenda is correct. All the rest must be silenced.
I mean they very obviously aren’t failing in droves, Disney for instance has been increasing their profit every year except 2020 for the last while.
People aren’t watching what they put out. Their sustainment is heavily reliant on their parks. They destroyed Marvel and Star Wars chasing something other than what the respective core demographic wanted. This is clearly majorly impacting them or else:
https://insidethemagic.net/2023/08/disney-ends-woke-agenda-casting-ad1/
It’s not looking good for the “narrative”, I’ll tell you that.
Okay, but you’re grossly missing the point. There was and will always be an agenda. Being upset that it isn’t your agenda and presenting this opinion under the guise of wanting it depoliticized is at best ignorant and misinformed, at worst dishonest, and regardless attempts to reinforce and legitimize hate for those who do not conform to historical norms.
I’d propose that your argument about the “woke agenda” failing Disney’s pocket book is in itself a cherry picked argument which ignores the massive technological and cultural shifts in the way we consume and monitize media. But it doesn’t matter, because that has nothing to do with what we’re talking about. Disney has always sold a lifestyle and pandered to an agenda. There is a reason Disneyland was such a prominent point of Baudrillard’s work; Disney’s ability to conjure and sell an imaginative reality has been historically unparalleled. Now that it’s selling a fantasy that makes the privledged uncomfortable, ignorant, invalid commentary, such as your original comment, shows up perpetuating false premisis’ about media suddenly pushing an agenda, as though this is new. It is not.
You can choose to try and understand that, you can dig in and veil your choice of ignorance and hate, or you can simply accept that you won’t understand everything and bow out. Just don’t be surprised when you face the consequences of your choices.
That’s a good idea, but what if some random person complains on twitter? Time to change it entire corporate strategy.
Inclusion and representation isn’t controversial unless you’re a bigot.
Theres been inclusion and representation in movies and TV since the 90s. I’m confused. What are you referring to specifically?
I don’t think you understand what makes for good entertainment. Hint: you tend to need a conflict in a story. I wonder if “controversial shit” might be a place to find interesting conflict for your stories?
Also inclusion is not the same thing as pushing an agenda. Gay people are just people. They’re allowed to exist in a story without it necessarily having to mean something.
Gay people have been in film and television since the 90s, what point are you trying to make?
You’re an idiot.
Now now we can’t make the boomers feel left out, there has to be something for ol’ pops to laugh about and explain at the retirement home lunch.
Would anyone like to run a statistical analysis of the number of gay characters that have been present in Disney movies, or really movies in general?
They’re forcing gay characters on us! Help I’m being oppressed! Chill the Fuck out and watch literally 99 percent of all movies that have ever been made if you’re worried about being underrepresented.
Let’s sit down and watch all of the movies that feature a white savior ‘knowing what’s best’ for poor and minority characters. Look at their unbridled altruism! They don’t have to associate with those pesky poors but they choose to do it on account of their saintliness! Get the fuck outta here.
According to out.com there are 17 and most of them have the representation of either it being a backhanded reference to them being queer or being on screen for all of 3 seconds. Oh lawd jesus. So oppressive.
Just a bunch of whiny people who are so incredibly insecure with their own sexuality that they think someone else could turn them gay. Probably because they spend more time than they want to admit fantasizing about sucking cock.
Sorry. As a gay dude I am just so phenomenally tired of hearing the most represented group on the planet whine about being “under-represented” or having to be “forced to watch gay people, THINK OF THE KIDS” when shit like Boss Baby is created where you have a literal infant lusting over women.
Just do a deep dive on all the super Fucking uncomfortable 80s and 90s tv shows and movies where it’s totally acceptable for an adult to have a sexual encounter with a child. It’s sold as a gag or the adult ‘ struggles with their urges’ or whatever. Totally normal, haha funny.
Imagine if there were a movie like Leon the professional that featured a gay man or a transgender person. The world would lose its mind and string up the director for child abuse.
I’m in full support of lgbt characters that are ‘normalized’ and treated like everyone else. It’s such a non issue it’s crazy to me that it’s even a concern in anyone’s mind.
Even from a conservative perspective it’s fucking stupid. Your job as a parent is to help your kid learn how to navigate the real world, which SURPRISE has gay people in it.
My sister had a little meltdown on Facebook about the beauty and the beast remake when it came out, because gasp it has two guys dancing in it for all of 2 seconds, at the very end of the movie.
She literally said “how am I supposed to explain that to my kids?” and apparently “with words, if they bother asking” wasn’t the answer she wanted.
I have far more knowledge of her activities in highschool and college than she thought. I could easily get 7 ex-girlfriends of hers to answer on her social media page so everyone she’s pandering to can have an answer from an openly gay person how to address openly gay people. (hint: normal. You treat them normally.)
I was showing my nephews and niece pics of me with my ex once because she didn’t visit with me and my niece asked to see pics.
The friend that introduced us is gay, and I had a pic of all of us during gamenight with him and his ex. My niece asked who his ex was, I couldn’t remember their name, so I said “that was his boyfriend” to which the kids were surprised, and asked a couple questions, which I answered in a very basic, kid-friendly manner. Just the matter-of-fact manner in which I’ve always explained stuff to them.
Well that was enough to send my SIL flying into the living room with a bible to go over verses that talk about how it’s sinful to be gay. I sat there holding my tongue, and I could see the confusion on their faces like “he was just telling us about his friend”.
I waited until she was done to tell them that another reason I’m not a Christian anymore is bc I don’t think who my friends are is wrong. (Which ofc brother and SIL got upset at later)
And in the conversation I had with my brother and SIL later on, they couldn’t see how me talking about my gay friends differently to my straight friends or avoiding saying someone was gay if it came up was an issue. These people live in a twisted reality of their own creation, it’s frightening.
My problem is the stereotypes. Have a strong women she’s a lesbian, a girl who likes sports a lesbian. Gay man is over the top flamboyant. They might be representing but it still seems stereotyped.
Oh 100% that’s an issue esp with Disney movies I feel like, but in general I find that there’s a lot of just bad stereotypes that get away with masquerading as “gay humor”, or the fact that a character is queer is just shoehorned in later, but plays no bearing on the character.
Anecdotally I’ve gotten back into Apex Legends recently, and LOVE the representation in that game. One of my mains, Fuse, is stereotypical Aussie manly man who loves explosives, and just so happens to be pansexual and very affectionate with his nb partner. They’re a genuinely enjoyable couple without any of the traditional gay/queer stereotypes found in other media, it’s so refreshing.
Luc Besson man, Leon was way more pedo on script but he had to pull back while filming. And the fifth element too, Leeloo was essentially a baby/toddler in an adult woman’s body so everyone wanted a piece of her.
It’s Hollywood. Think about how we now know like every major rockstar from the 70s thru the 90s was openly having sex with teenagers. Now look at what we have uncovered about the rape based economy of movies and tv. These guys were raping men women and children with impunity for decades. It’s no wonder that their films would reflect that.
Up till now and likely still today, if you wanted to be successful in hollywood you weren’t getting a seat at the table until they got exactly what they wanted. Try to resist and watch as your career went up in flames. Ashley Judd remembers.
It’s not surprising at all that this time period was all just an extension of that. Working child rape into movies was just them expressing themselves.
The director of the jeepers creepers series is a convicted pedophile who raped his 12 year old star during filming. Francis for Coppola continues to be his friend and funds his movies
I don’t get it either. My brother-in-law is like this. And he refused to take his kids to see Buzz Lightyear because of its “political” nature. I was a dumbfounded when I heard that. To think that representation is just some nebulous political aim.
At this rate, we should just consider any media with a kiss in it “political media.”
And I even grew up with this dude in the early 2000s. He didn’t seem like this before.
I try to forget about the guy, but it’s kind of hard because he won’t let me see the nieces because I’m too “liberal”.
When morons say something about a “political nature”, it’s just code for briefly mentioning (and then not instantly condemning) anything about a character that doesn’t fit into:
Straight white cis Christian household with the oldest male the sole breadwinner and the oldest female barefoot and pregnant and tending to their (at least 2) kids’ needs, and keeping house while still doing her “wifely duties” for him, all while being in the kitchen.
They hate immigrants and anyone different from them in any way. They tolerate them if they stay where they came from.
Anything else they disagree with is a political issue, because an extreme version of their religion is their political party, do anything they disagree with means God hates it, and their party will vote against it, and the normal people will vote for it, thereby making it a political issue in an ass backwards way.
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“iTs JuSt So FoRcEd”
Dude looks like Mario shaved off his stache and put on a rastafari wig
Yeah if Mario was Sicilian
Bruh its an animation style. Its like calling a table and a chair the same thing because you bought them both from ikea so they both have that middle-class swedish furniture style.
The Mitchells vs the machines did it best. It was a great and entertaining story and I loved all the characters. Perhaps Disney should just make a story that’s worth telling?
What other open gay characters have been in Disney movies?
I feel like part of this is that so many of the “openly gay characters” have been either not so open, extremely in the background, or even debatably gay that each new threshold feels like a “victory” or something.
Don’t forget characters that painted gay people in a bad light
Didn’t buzz lightyear and onward (the Chris Pratt Pixar movie) have gay background characters?
Star Wars had a gay background character. That’s all I can think of.
There’s a bit in Frozen where some bloke they meet introduces his family and it’s another fella and their kids.
https://www.out.com/film/2022/3/22/disneys-first-out-lgbtq-gay-characters#rebelltitem13
I thought seven was blowing it out of proportion so I looked it up, and I think I was wrong in my initial thought.
Sleepy was gay
Not a movie, but The Owl House was quite gay…
Shame it got cancelled. One of my favorite shows
Mine too. Luckily we got Fionna and Cake last month. That one is really good too.
If shows count then owl house is a shining example
And also gravity falls, the police officers seems to be a couple
Pretty sure Alex Hirsch confirmed that’s the case
Yes, and he originally was gonna make it obvious but he had to fight tooth and nail with Disney to even get the scene at the end where they look longingly into each other’s face while talking about love (iirc) and then shoot a cannon together (which is meant to represent that they are indeed a “canon” couple).
Seem to be. But in this movie there was no seem.
I need to rewatch it soon. One of the best animated series of the modern times, right next to Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, Dead End, Close Enough, Amphibia, BoJack, Infinity Train, Kipo, Vox Machina, Smiling Friends and YOLO.
What a time to be alive… When I was a kiddo, the best stuff came from Japan, and now the Americans are really nailing it.
Man, I was dubious of that show originally. It had this weird hype about it that usually ends up with the hyped thing not being enjoyable for me.
But my kid liked it. And I was enforcing exercise as a mandatory part of the day. With the adhd involved, it was either allow tv during exercise and deal with delays when they got sucked in, or deal with delays when we’d “disagree” on how much of a given exercise had actually been done.
So, we worked out that we’d share shows during exercise. One of the very first was owl house. Again, I was dubious as hell. But I started looking forward to it. By the time the final episode was available, I was hooked too. I cried like a damn baby right beside my kid during that.
That show just works. The writing manages to thread a path that’s serious enough to give weight to it rather than being cartoony, without abandoning a bit of joy and humor to do so.
It’s pretty much the best animated show I’ve seen since samurai jack. Totally different, but I find that it is as good.
All I remember from this movie is the fanboys bitching about Disney only doing remakes and not releasing anything original, then they finally release something original and it gets review bombed for having a gay character
I didn’t care the character was gay. It just felt like it was heavy handed to point out he was gay. His relationship, and by extension his sexuality, had no impact on the story. Why even bring it up?
His sexuality and his relationship felt like it was shoe horned into the script so Disney could say they had a gay character.
Also. The movie was forgettable and kind of crap.
Honestly it’s just not as good as it could be. Even my kids don’t really like it that much.
What are the other movies?
- Finding Dory: Has a lesbian couple on screen for 3 seconds. Was an ENORMOUS deal at the time. Disney marketed it.
- Beauty and the Beast (2017 Live Action): Disney specifically marketed how Josh Gads character was their first gay character. They also marketed an “exclusive gay moment”. That moment was him dancing with another man in a group scene for like 2 seconds.
- Thor Ragnarok: Wasn’t announced until Love and Thunder but Valkyrie is bisexual.
- Avengers Endgame: Also touted as a “big moment” and the first gay character in the MCU. During the opening grief counseling session that Cap America runs, one dude is talking about how he went on a date with another man. Here’s there for a maximum of 20 seconds.
- Toy Story 4: You can see a lesbian couple for like 1-3 seconds.
- Rise of Skywalker: Also touted as a huge moment for Star Wars, Disney started talking about how it was the first lesbian couple. At the end of the movie there’s a 1 second shot of two women kissing. Disney marketed it as first on screen same sex kiss.
- **Onward:**The cyclops cop is a lesbian. There’s a single line where she says her girlfriend’s daughter did something.
- Jungle Cruise: Disney said that Jack MacGregor was their first “major gay character”. There is a single line in the film hinting towards his sexuality. Dwayne Johnsons character asks why he never got married and Jack says “my interests lie elsewhere”. That’s it. Apparently that counts for being gay.
- Eternals: Disney touted that one as being the ‘First Gay Superhero’. He’s not a major character or anything but you do see a scene with him and his husband/son.
- Cruella: Also marketed by Disney as being their ‘first major gay character’ despite them claiming that twice for Beauty and the Beast and for Jungle Cruise. In this movie, the gay character is the hyper flamboyant, fashion loving villain.
- High School Musical The Series: A Disney+ show. They marketed that one for the ‘First Gay Disney Love Song’.
- Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness: America Chavez is a lesbian and the movie was marketed for having the ‘First Gay Superhero’, apparently ignoring Eternals from previously.
- Lightyear: ‘First Pixar Same-sex Kiss in a Pixar movie’ was claimed for this one. However it was only put back into the movie after news broke that Disney was donating to anti-gay politicians and that they constantly cut LGBTQ content behind the scenes they stuck this scene in. Then it came out that this scene too was originally cut. Shocker.
- Ms. Marvel: Another Disney+ show. They have a same-sex teenage lesbian couple.
- Strange World: The thing in the meme. First Gay Teenage character.
ABC is owned by Disney. ABC owns Scrubs. Therefore the first gay love song from Disney is “Guy Love” sung by JD and Turk and I will die on this hill.
Does that make JD and Turk Disney princesses
Yes, and while I will not die on that hill, I’ll kill others on it.
I would like to join you on this hill
The characters being ancillary and easily edited out/cut is by design so they can still use the movies in foreign markets that are hostile to lgbt rights
If the gay character is only identified as gay in one scene where they say “I’m gay” or kiss for 10 seconds you can just cut that part out and still screen it in Saudi Arabia. Disney doesn’t actually give a shit about lgbt issues, they give a shit about what will sell
Thus a prominent main character who is gay or a movie about a character coming to terms with queer identity is far less likely because that basically means they instantly lose out on much of the lucrative international market
At the end of the movie there’s a 1 second shot of two women kissing.
LOL. First I heard of this. I must’ve blinked and missed it.
It is literally 1 or 2 seconds. It’s an extremely quick flash that’s in the background. Not even given focus from what I remember, although I could be wrong on that. It was just so forgettable.
sigh
Mission hill, a show you’ve likely never heard of, back in 1999 had two characters named Gus and Wally. They were the upstairs neighboors of the main cast though Gus and Wally did have their own episode (the show only ran for 1 season and had 13 episodes) as well as having some side plots in other episodes. Now the very first scene they’re in they are making out.
Let me repeat that, back in fucking 1999 there was an openly gay couple in an animated show who were functionally main characters. They weren’t the perfect couple, they acted like your old married coupke, but the show never once made them being gay a joke, a bad thing, or anything of the sort. They were treated respectfully as flawed humans who loved each other for the show’s entire run.
The episode where Gus comes back from work with a knife stuck in his head and won’t go to the doctor and tries to just act like everything is normal still makes me die laughing, because my (also gay) husband is the same way.
I loved it when he put on the hat and said the problem was solved.
Wow thanks didn’t think there was that many “first gay characters” 😂
I forgot about 1 though I remember hearing about that.
Seems like Disney can’t make up their minds and are trying to make the “perfect” gay character.
They should just do this:
“This is the first gay character”
“This is the first gay character V2”
“This is the first gay character V3”
Etc
I saw some of these movies but the only one that actually contains a somewhat important gay character thats actually gay is eternals.
Holy fuck that is pathetic. Not quite as pathetic as the people crying about “forced diversity” tho.
Buzz Lightyear, Baloo, Peter Pan, the Fairy Godmother, Jafar and King Triton
Why would any of these be considered gay characters
Are you saying you want none of that Peter Bussy?
In onwards there is a police woman/ogre who talks about her girlfriend. I have heard there is queer representation in the movie luca but I did not watch it
Looking back at the list of Disney movies… there actually were none. Unless you count Cuzco.
Well definitely limiting if you go specifically gay teen.
But they made a somewhat big deal about having a Gay Ellen DeGeneres, in finding Dory but didn’t specifically push that the character was gonna show gay representation.
But man they really pushed the narrative that they would have an openly gay character in the live action Beauty & the Best movie which ended up being a 15 seconds site gag about cross dressing and dancing… so that was dumb.
Then they bragged about having gay representation in an Avengers movie which ended up being an unnamed character saying he dated a guy once in a blink and you miss it sad scene at the top of the movie… and Marvel is Disney.
Then I remember them bragging about gay representation in Onward but I actually don’t remember there being any like at all. Seriously, they talked about how they would include representing everyone and then the movie was a mess of just fairytale knockoff representation everywhere and I can point out practically no specifics.
Let’s see then they made a bunch of live action stuff that actually had real gay representation but eternals sucked and cruella it’s definitely just a side character but hey whatever.
Then they bragged about light-year I think which I didn’t watch so who knows how good that was.
And that brings us to “the first openly gay character” which was the only advertising point for this movie I saw after a fantastic trailer giving such a great 1930s vibe and nothing else.
So yeah I guess that’s practically none of you consider how pathetic the early attempts were nothing.
And if you ignore a bunch of the other movies, too.
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