Does anyone know what rule 4 is? I was banned from an ml community for that very rule a couple of days ago but have not made a comment anywhere on Lemmy for 9 months.
My current guess - I upvoted/downvoted the wrong person as that’s about all I do on Lemmy.
i forgot but you didn’t actually break that rule, probably….
something i’ve learned from talking to real life leftists is: all very left online spaces, and i mean all, have been completely fucked over by shills.
often just completely controlled by them.
i just got permabanned from lost generation on reddit for absolutely not breaking the rules… they cited a rule, i asked how, then they just muted me from messaging the mods with a message just listing the rules, all of which i agree with….
it sucks but it’s been this way a very long time….
basically just cointelpro continuing.
my guess is you were too genuine and reasonable, so they fuck with you to make you think this is what the left is like, then hopefully you’ll give up and become a capitalist.
I recently got a ban on .ml for saying that the IS banning people from flying because they called in a bomb threat on an plane is not the same as China banning you from flying because you critisised the government.
Yeah that’s true, because the the first one actually happens.
+10 social credit
These threads are great because they are nice tankie block attractors. They can’t help themselves from commenting on their non tank-3 accounts.
It’s hilarious. I have them all tagged and the same usual suspects always show up like clockwork.
Lol is there a list somewhere? Id love to just blanket ban all the morons
Just check any thread involving China, Russia or North Korea. Or any thread regarding .ml or .world. They’ll always show up.
If I see cowbee in the comments here I’m gonna chuckle.
Man, your post has really brought out the CCP shills. It’s fascinating to watch people go, “Nuh-uh! China doesn’t do any of that!”
I learned a dozen countries are all in on a conspiracy theory in which they pretended China had operated overseas police stations in their respective countries. Fake news!
yeah, seems like they’re really hoping to convert some lemmy users
What’s rule 1 on .ml? Everyone is getting banned for it.
Rule 1 on .ml is “no racism.” In this post, it appears to be “racist” against Chinese. At least from some kind of a point of view.
They also use “racism” as an excuse if you say Russia was wrong to invade Ukraine.
@Davel@lemmy.ml , lemmy.ml mod who larps an American but is a Russian fucking hates it
No, it is against China, not Chinese people.
“Chinese” is a heavily loaded term, containing nationality, ethnicity, culture and language. In this case it is criticising China the nation, not Chinese people in any sense.
It is racist to link China the nation to Chinese people, because many people who are ethnically Chinese do not associate with China.
I know I am about to be downvoted heavily by tankies but just remember that .ml are hypocrites.
Ableism is forbidden, so you get banned if you make fun of communists.
So they are accepting that they have a mental illness right?
Either that, or they consider it their religion and/or gender.
Hi, I am Amon. My pronouns are comrad/comrad
Our pronouns, probably.
What is “Rule 1”? Is it “Thou shall not have a different opinion.”?
No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia.
So they’re saying communism is a disability… Makes sense!
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thou shalt not say things that are censored in china….
Funnily enough it seems like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml are also censored in China via their great firewall.
Edit: lemmy.ml is still blocked, but lemmygrad apparently not.
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because westerners can access it
Because the way the fediverse works means that it is practically a proxy into other less CCP-friendly instances which is a big nono
makes sense
i’ve heard that in china, they have a constantly evolving slang for everything banned
Except lemmy.world is not (last time the topic came up, but I haven’t checked since).
Officially, it’s “bigotry”, unofficially it’s a catch-all so that when someone brings it up their more prominent users can make declarations like this:
“routinely the actual reasons people are mad at .ml is getting banned/ censored for being bigoted”
I got banned there last week for saying that lemmy mods are just as pathetic and banhappy as reddit mods
Was this before or after Anakin was on the council?
Before I think, all of the clone wars happens before episode 3
in my experience, they’re a lot worse….
stuff that would get a comment removed or a note from the mod to chill just gets you an instant permaban here…
and they’ll ban you for the dumbest shit too… simply discussing china’s human rights abuses that are well documented and publicized is “racism against chinese people” or some dumb shit….
luckily it’s just the hard hard leftists… the places that are all shills anyway (like he-x-b34r)
(i just spelled that dumb so it’s harder to search).
Lol, I got a similar removal and ban (rule 1, 2*) the other day for replying to someone who mentioned credit ratings as a counterpoint to the attempts to discredit the existence of “social credits” (or whatever actual system exists in China, and it does exist, to keep tabs on their population):
This right here.
And the point is that an average American barely knows how those work, or exactly what information the government and or private financial and other companies collect about them (it’s a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply), in the same way the average Chinese person barely knows just how much surveillance their government is doing on them (it’s a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply).
This post is such tankie bullshit.
Pretending like only one government does (internal and external) propaganda, or only one government is oppressing and lying to its own people (not to mention people in other countries), or that the average person in any country know, or is willing to admit to themselves, never mind others, and especially never mind people from a country you’ve been propagandised against from birth, the flaws of their own government is not only laughable, and hypocritical, but also massively counterproductive.
*as you can see, the ban is really for calling OP “tankie bullshit” and *gasp* pointing out that China is bad in the same ways America is bad. Such fragile egos lmfao
just the fact that .ml stands for marxist leninist is all you need to know….
marxism has some good points, some very bad ones… leninism doesn’t and is hardly a thing anywaysTankies gonna tank ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
cccp gonna cccp
YDI.
The .ml policy against bigotry --including parroting western anti-chinese propaganda, that liberals throw ad nauseam there-- has been a consistent policy over time of that instance.
By definition
Sounds like .ml are the biggest bigots around
seeing that you’re from lemmy.ml, stfu….
but, it’s not propaganda, it proven facts… there are photos and leaked surveillance videos, it’s very real.
it’s not “bigotry”, which is such a laughable claim… i love chinese people and DON’T want them to suffer… it’s the absolute opposite of bigotryI strongly disagree.
But, by example, if l (a .ml and lemmyngrad user) go to a Ukrainian instance with a pro-western narrative to tell that they are backing and are backed by fascism, as other hundreds others had done before, I would deserve a ban.
I strongly disagree
With reality?
You mean the US? The US isn’t fascist. We’ve still got about 48 hours before that.
I mean, during the past 4 years, you guys have been building a giant wall to keep brown people out, funded a genocide to maintain a white ethno state in the middle east, enacted economical sanctions to try to suffocate socialist movements around the world, overturned a law that granted access to abortions… I could continue, but I think that’s enough to consider the USA fascist already.
during the past 4 years, you guys have been building a giant wall to keep brown people out
Not really, the infamous “wall” is, at most, a handful of sections
funded a genocide to maintain a white ethno state in the middle east
Fair, however, it will absolutely accelerate under Drump unlike Harris who would have at most kept the status quo as it has been for decades
economical sanctions to try to suffocate socialist movements around the world,
Sanctions against places like Russia, hardly a “socialist movement haven”
overturned a law that granted access to abortions
It was not a law, it was a supreme court ruling that was overturned. Had it been a law, it would in all likelihood be still in effect
false equivalence
You’re literally just spreading propaganda except for one point. Your critical thinking is a sham
lol
Which points are propaganda and why?
If it hurts my feelings or invalidates my argument then it is propaganda and it must be censored!
Spreading racist arguments doesn’t help either. Many of the above statements are proven CIA propaganda. Not all but many. I thought lemmy was supposed to have critical thinking? It’s sad to just attack.
“Proven CIA propaganda” proven… how? Where? Seriously, we’re all genuinely eager for any evidence that these horrifyingly evil crimes against humanity are just the CIA successfully waging a propaganda war instead of… you know, what they usually do. Fuck around incompetently, fail completely, then take credit for any shit that happens so people think they’re actually these great masterminds.
YDI
Tankie is a lazy political slur so your are engaging in bad faith.
i never said tanker, tankie
There you go again
tankie
How long was your Reddit ban ?
13 days
It says so in the post.
Whoosh
Dude, them not engaging with an unfunny quip you made isn’t whoosh. It’s just them politely sparing you from further embarrassment by not drawing attention to your feeble attempt at banter.
Wild to be so indoctrinated that you continue to believe the Uyghur genocide lies, even when the departments that made it up admit they made it up.
This is why it’s so easy to mislead the American public. You want the lies.
Doesn’t look good.
oh well i will expect a source for this lie any minute… go ahead
Sorry, but who should prove that there is a ongoing genocide is who do that claim, requiring to prove the no existence of something is a fallacious argument.
This is unrelated to the topic, but that’s not how logic works. The burden of proof is upon the person(s) making the positive claim. So either you say,
- “Yes, there is genocide” (positive claim)
- “No, there is no genocide,” (positive claim)
- “I don’t know/don’t believe you.” (neutral claim)
So anyone in this post saying there isn’t genocide has a burden of proof to show why they believe it’s not occurring, because they are making a positive claim. It is not a logical fallacy to prove an opposing claim, and difficulty proving it doesn’t absolve anyone of that responsibility.
Likewise, anyone saying there is genocide occurring should provide evidence for that claim. Typically, the person making the first positive claim has the initial responsibility.
Happy to oblige.
Now where’s your source? What do you think you know that the state dept doesn’t? Why are you keeping it from them?
LMAO did you even read your source‽ It’s right there in the summary
But evidence that it is carrying out other forms of genocide abounds, Beth Van Schaack, a visiting professor at Stanford Law School’s Center for Human Rights and International Justice, wrote in a recent post on Just Security.
“For example, the torture, rape and sexual violence committed against Uyghurs likely constitute genocide ‘by causing serious bodily and mental harm’—the second type of genocide recognized by the Convention,” she wrote. “Likewise, the deplorable living conditions of incarcerated Uyghurs may constitute genocide by ‘deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about [their] physical destruction’—the third form of genocide.”
@xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com you should have read their source, it doesn’t even back them up in any way LMFAO
just copying his “source” before he deletes it
typical sea lion tactic… just drop a link that looks like it could be a source, then pretend like it is, hoping most people won’t read it….
it is hilarious though.
Yes, you should read beyond the summary. They’re trying to spin it in the summary, pushing the narrative while admitting they made it up.
From your article:
But evidence that it is carrying out other forms of genocide abounds, Beth Van Schaack, a visiting professor at Stanford Law School’s Center for Human Rights and International Justice, wrote in a recent post on Just Security.
“For example, the torture, rape and sexual violence committed against Uyghurs likely constitute genocide ‘by causing serious bodily and mental harm’—the second type of genocide recognized by the Convention,” she wrote. “Likewise, the deplorable living conditions of incarcerated Uyghurs may constitute genocide by ‘deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about [their] physical destruction’—the third form of genocide.”
Yes, she’s trying to stretch their claims into persisting. Again, without evidence.
I understand reading is challenging for you, but you’re gonna have to actually read the whole article to get the context.
What’s actually happening is China is preventing the US from further radicalization of the Uyghurs to destabilize the region, and de-radicalizing those being rehabilitated. The US doesn’t like their terror cells being stopped.
https://x.com/SpokespersonCHN/status/1380170110736855041?mx=2
Yep, for sure. More western countries should adopt the Chinese approach of “cultural assimilation” by locking up all our Muslim immigrants in “re-education” camps to unlearn Islam. They wouldn’t get any criticism for that right?
Wahabism isn’t native. It’s literally being imported by Saudi Arabia, and is actively trying to destroy Uighur culture.
‘Muslim’ is not a monoculture and it is ironic that someone worried about cultural genocide believes it is.
Are they being forced to convert?
Don’t straw man me. I was simply pointing out how insane this would be if any Western country employed the same ‘assimilation’ methods that China is doing. I mean, arguably the US is doing something similar with the way they exploit their prison populations (minus the re-education part). But that’s also shameful. Just because the US does shameful things too doesn’t mean that China’s shameful things don’t matter or shouldn’t be talked about. These types of reprehensible State actions should all be scrutinized and opposed.
Dude, it’s gonna blow your mind when you hear about Guantanamo Bay.
I agree with you, all authoritarian States suck ass, including the US. I post more critical stuff about the US than about any other country. Still that doesn’t give China a free pass. You can shove your “critical support” where the sun don’t shine if you are just simping for a different authoritarian State.
Not OP, but here’s a source that refutes yours, and it was published later.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22311356/china-uyghur-birthrate-sterilization-genocide
That’s based on a report generated by a DC think tank funded by US intelligence- the same folks who fabricated this from the beginning.
Ofc, classic tankie behavior, only your sources are right and everything else is propaganda of some flavor
I don’t think you understand the issue. None of the sources claiming genocide have any evidence or investigation to prove it. They’re all referencing the same debunked intelligence sources.
We have been lied into every single foreign conflict over the past 80 years, and y’all still haven’t learned a damn thing. Just falling for the same people telling the same lies over and over again.
And yours comes from the State Dept, direct from the government that also funds the CIA that you are dismissing in my source.
And since the State Dept seems to be your standard of authority, how do you explain that the State Dept affirmed (again) in April 2024 that yes, it’s genocide?
The report referenced in that article: https://www.state.gov/reports/2023-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/china/ (it’s literally the first paragraph that says it’s genocide)
The facts aren’t on your side, friend. It’s genocide.
Yes, and my source shows them trying to claim genocide, despite the lack of evidence of such. The point is that they would make the case for genocide if they could, but they can’t.
The facts show there’s no genocide, even when it’s a government agency that desperately wishes there was.
So we can trust only the lawyers from the State Dept from 2021, but not from 2023, not other departments, and not multiple reputable independent news sources that say otherwise, because you don’t like the facts? Got it.
Also, it’s not just the US State Dept saying it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59595952
https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/08/1125932
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/31/china-unrelenting-crimes-against-humanity-targeting-uyghurs
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/23/un-member-countries-condemn-chinas-crimes-against-humanity
Just go read, man. Sometimes we’re wrong, but refusing to accept the facts is what religious fundies and cult followers do.
Even right wing news sources are agreeing: https://www.newsweek.com/xi-china-repression-uyghurs-xinjiang-1871161
It’s genocide. What do we gain by denying it?
even when the departments that made it up admit they made it up.
i mean a source that backs up the claims you made, sea lion
Sealioning? By providing you the source? Do you expect me to read it to you?
your own source contradicts you, sea lion
I don’t think you know what sealioning is.
Every genocide except the uyghur genocide has images attributed to it
Self exercise, find me three images of an uyghur genocide taking place, I’m not asking just to be a smart ass but because I tried it myself and I got no result
It’s funny how you racists never need any sources for the original claim lmao
yeah, criticism of the PRC is not racism… it’s the opposite, i don’t want their human rights to be violatd… but nice try, agent
I don’t get how suicide nets is a knock on china. They’re making our phones.
It’s our consumer demand and our company’s price points that are responsible for the conditions in the factories that make our phones.
It’s their citizens / labor laws.
Sure an American said “we want 12h shifts 6 days a week with absolutely minimal breaks” (or whatever the specifics are) (and that’s a a terrible request.)
But the kicker is a Chinese labor official said “yup, sure thing”
So are you saying that in the glorious Chinese workers paradise they don’t set and enforce decent health and safety policies and regulate working conditions and wages for the benefit of their citizens? Paint me amazed!
the glorious Chinese workers paradise
The scary thing is they genuinely believe this.
I had responded to a tankie who claimed that China wasn’t an oligarchy by sarcastically asking if they thought the workers control the government, and like 5 different (or are they?) hexbears descended on me to tell me that yes, akshually, they do (and therefore must be the most self loathing workers on the planet, if those are the conditions they inflict on themselves, and curiously keep “electing” the same authoritarian, billionaire, dictator to be at the top of their
classless,moneyless,statelesssociety). 🤦♀️E: on a side note since I’ve got you here and you’re an admin, I thought this instance was defederated from hex, and I have them on my personal blocked instance list, should I still be seeing their users?
You can still come across their users if they post in a community external to Hexbear, even if you have instance blocked them. Our instance actually isn’t defederated from Hexbear fyi. They mostly leave us in peace nowadays though, so unless you go looking for a fight on their instance, you’re unlikely to run into problems with them.
Aww, why the downvote @Cowbee@lemmy.ml? That was one of my more diplomatic posts too lol.
To be fair, didn’t mean to downvote that one.
I remembered seeing some drama between the two instances from before I moved over to db0, so I just assumed off the back of that, but good to know, thanks! Definitely don’t go looking for them, I have better things to do with my time and little remaining sanity lol
because the Chinese public isn’t supposed to know about it… plus people might demand more ethically produced phones if they were more aware.
