• Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      68
      ·
      1 year ago

      John oliver did a segment about blackmailing a few republican senators. His show is deeply anti-corruption and the writers are as terminally online as I am.

    • lugal@sopuli.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      26
      ·
      1 year ago

      Yes, he has quite some good videos that critic the current system but he is by no means on the revolutionary left

      • FaeDrifter@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        28
        ·
        1 year ago

        John Oliver is doing a hell of a lot more to help than internet self-styled “revolutionary leftists” are.

        • lugal@sopuli.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          10
          ·
          1 year ago

          I don’t disagree on that. He has quite an audience and therefore influence and budget to do stuff and he does great stuff. Many Social Democrats can learn from him. I don’t criticize him but at the end of the day he’s a Left Liberal which is my favorite kind of liberal. But he won’t fundamentally change the system.

          I have a different perspective on him since I live in Europe. Many things he wants are no brainers for me (like universal healthcare, how is that not normal in a rich country). Still I live in a liberal, capitalist democracy just like the US, just degrees better.

      • randomname01@feddit.nl
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        18
        ·
        1 year ago

        He doesn’t seem like a total shitlib, unlike the other three. He seems like the perfect guy to make libs think a bit farther than they otherwise would, and I can’t exactly fault him for that.

        • lugal@sopuli.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          1 year ago

          No, none of these are. Yes, it’s satire. It’s just that John Oliver is the one person in the image I have something positive to say about

    • Jediotty@beehaw.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      13
      ·
      1 year ago

      IIRC he said Universal health care is like the only option. I could be wrong but from what I remember

    • FooBarrington@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      20
      ·
      1 year ago

      Vaush, a leftist streamer. He’s very direct and sometimes abrasive, so he’s often in the centre of leftist online drama.

      • LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        18
        ·
        1 year ago

        He uses slurs, does harassment campaigns against leftist people of color and is overall a giant chump that is far more of a reactionary than any leftist. He’s the “leftist” YouTuber for people who never had their Ben Shapiro/Sargon phase and don’t understand what’s wrong with that style of content.

          • LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            1 year ago

            Doesn’t know shit about theory or what he actually means by socialism, and has all this in his history. Vaush is a reactionary sex pest that deserves no quarter in this community.

            • Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              4
              ·
              1 year ago

              Again you’re going too far, you can criticize someone without acting like they’ve never read anything about socialism and is sexually abusive to anyone he meets.

              If you actually look up the context to most of this stuff, which you forced me to do, it’s really not as yikesy as you would think.

                • Darorad@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  6
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  1 year ago

                  I don’t think stream clips that are cut to show the opposite of the opinion he was expressing are helpful, he’s done plenty of actual bad shit like sexual harassment and saying slurs that we can criticize him for.

                  Taking someone saying, “you can come up with a hypothetical situation where [bad thing] would result in more good than harm, but it’s still bad because of x, y, and z reasons.” And cutting it to them saying “[bad thing] would result in more good than harm” just gives people ground to defend him.

        • barsoap@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          12
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          does harassment campaigns against leftist people of color

          Is this about him calling out Dr. Flowers for not being willing to denounce ethnic cleansing and getting back-up from actual land back activists for that.

          Wait a second… this should be it.

            • barsoap@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              7
              ·
              1 year ago

              What. It’s merely one of the bigger drama I’m aware of, if you don’t want people to guess then don’t talk in riddles are we in kindergarten here.

              I don’t think Vaush has particular beef with F.D. short of F.D. uncritically backing Flowers. Point-wise disagreement but I do see Vaush mentioning F.D. in a neutral to positive light quite regularly.

              Also speaking about F.D., his “debate bro critical takedown” video was puerile, churlish, and definitely one-sided.

              • LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                4
                ·
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                “Don’t talk in riddles”

                “Churlish”

                God you’re so far up your own ass defending some reactionary streamer that is literally just Sargon of Akkad for libs. Manage to type 3 sentences that say nothing. Vaush has a toxic ass fanbase that he sicks on people. When Chapo fans do that shit, we defederate their instance. But when a racist white sex pest lib does it, we have people defending him. What a joke.

                • FaeDrifter@midwest.social
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  5
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  I mean, if there was a vaush lemmy instance sicking on people in the fediverse I’m sure that would get defederated very quickly too.

        • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          1 year ago

          Ben Shapiro amd Vaush are actually best friends. They havr been photographed together. Vaush also oddly gets along suspiciously well with Tim Pool. I mean really, really well. You wouldn’t want a guy like that running your bolshevik revolution.

          • LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            1 year ago

            Can’t tell if this is a bit or not because Vaush’s constant need to “own the right” makes him consistently look stupid just like them

    • audaxdreik@pawb.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      16
      ·
      1 year ago

      I wouldn’t say “no reason”.

      I’m not gonna do a whole Vaush teardown here, but it’s amazing how he always seems to align himself against a lot of the other leftist YouTubers I have watched and respected for years.

      His obsessive need to tout his “rightness” on all matters is extremely abrasive and off-putting. He likes to cite diversity of tactics as a reason for engaging in debate the way he does, but then also doesn’t respect anyone that can’t debate their position. I’ve read a lot of philosophy and political commentary over the years, I know what I believe, but if you put me up against him I’d crumble on the spot. I couldn’t debate to save my life, it’s a particular skill. Watching him angrily yell at other leftists is not furthering the points he thinks it is.

      Being able to win a debate doesn’t make you right, and losing one doesn’t make you wrong. He’s just another pig in the mud.

    • Darorad@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      The comments here is basically the weirdest conversation I’ve seen about him, basically everyone either defending or criticising him is just getting upvoted and not downvoted.