• mlg@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

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      I think it depends what the demographic is. If it’s the same people who were calling for both a ceasefire and nuking of Gaza, Israel probably won’t care.

      • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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        It’s a layup. It would look better coming from Kamala but whatever.

        You can make political hay and be on the right side of shit for once with no material consequences.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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      No she couldn’t because she’s the vice president and doesn’t have that power at this time. And she also is expected to go along with the president’s policy.

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        Oh for christs sake. I know you are smarter than this. Stating the incredibly obvious while missing the point isn’t additive.

        Like you know how politics works right? Do you get what’s being said in my statement? It’s about sending a signal. Power is about persuasion, not who in an org chart is labeled to have some authority. You move the messenger, not the message.

        My point is incredibly cynical. I’m not suggesting any one would actually do anything. But they would communicate a shift, and since Biden is a lame duck anyways, it’s not his policy or even really white house any more. It’s Harris’s. She absorbs the consequences for what it does or doesn’t do, and as such and she’s also now responsible for it’s policy.

        Half the time I think Lemmy has pass around the same brain cell with the ginger cats.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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          Sorry, my psychic powers to be able to know what you are thinking when you don’t mean what you write have been greatly overstated.

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            It’s a politics forum of political junkies discussing nuanced political perspectives and news articles. I wouldn’t jump into a forum on car mechanics and make some generic statements about the how combustion makes the motor go around.

            It’s a basic naivety of the mechanisms around how politics work, that isn’t objectively wrong (if the world only worked according to flow charts from Wikipedia), but completely misses the point in the reality that isn’t how power works. Reality is subterfuge. Reality is real politik. Reality is posturing and gesturing and floating test balloons and doing basically nothing. Reality is the tail wagging the dog so that you can claim the dog wags the tail.

            The study of politics is the study of identifying what has been communicated without it being said, and how that impacts power structures.

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        And she also is expected to go along with the president’s policy.

        Oh thank god we’re sticking with genocide because of expectations.

        She’s not the Secretary of State. She’s not running the show like Dick Cheney. She can differ from the president on foreign policy if she wants to, expectations be damned.

        Of course, that assumes she wants to differ from the president.

  • ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world
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    I hope I’m not being too cynical but I suspect Israel’s largest police union is going to have to arrest Netanyahu for there to be a ceasefire/hostage deal. He definitely seems like he’s clinging to power to avoid jail and if the negotiators come to an agreement, he’ll tack on additional demands until it’s unacceptable and then blame Hamas for the deal collapsing.