“President of peace” everybody. Just making sure the ENTIRE world hates the US.
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China and Russia figured out how to do it with social media. Most of their people don’t even know of their empire’s crimes.
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That’s not really true, though. China and Russia have a far more sophisticated media censorship apparatus, and their polling indicates they have no idea the level of propaganda they are being faced with every day. Half of Americans hate their own country, and are free to post about it on the internet, and consume media that aligns with their view, without fear of being arrested like Ding Jiaxi.
And tell that to the refugees of China’s raping of its neighbours fish zones, or Russia’s brutal invasion of Ukraine.
The internet is not a neutral space. A country having its own social media platforms instead of letting American companies harvest their citizens’ data is not truly censorship.
their polling indicates they have no idea the level of propaganda they are being faced with every day.
You’re being solipsistic. Not everything you disagree with based on personal whims is “propaganda.”
Lots of countries have their own social media platforms. Only China will jail you for posting questions like “how much do our leaders make?”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ding_Jiaxi
Only Russia will jail you for posting “I disagree with the war.”
Only Iran will jail you for posting “I think women should have more rights.”
You’re being solipsistic.
Nobody talks like this. Nobody in the real world says this. I know you’re capable of talking without using 5 dollar words to obscure logic and escape from an argument in a cloud of poor reasoning.
Not everything you disagree with based on personal whims is “propaganda.”
That’s right. But we’re not talking about whether or not Captain Picard is the best Star Trek captain. We’re not discussing disagreements on personal whims. We’re talking about whether or not an unelected state apparatus with the power in the hands of a handful of rich elites should have total control over everything you’re allowed to see and say. That’s propaganda. That’s what’s going on in Russia, and Iran, and China. And probably America soon, the way they’re headed with Trump.
I’m afraid you’re being maliciously obtuse. There is no need to criticize my pretty regular vocabulary. And the fact that you think the USA hasn’t historically been at the center of the imperialist propaganda machine fruther confirms the need to end our conversation.
America soon? America was always controlled by the elite, since 250 years.
From the other day:
https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2026/08/29/autistici-inventati-trump-terrorists-news/
“A single signature by Trump can remove you from the internet”
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Why is it you are aware “no you” isn’t a compelling argument, and then proceed to make a “no you” argument?
You make bold declarations like “the US’s propaganda apparatus existing for centuries longer, with far more money behind it”, with absolutely no evidence or sources to back up these claims.
China does not target people who undermine socialism. It targets people who undermine capitalism. People like Ding Jiaxi, who called on Xi Jinping and other top-level government officials to lead the way in dislosing their financial assets.
Trump supporters in Red leaning states also have extremely high approval ratings for their leader, this is evidence of the efficacy of propaganda, not democracy.
An unsourced image comparing China to America proves nothing to anyone, other than the fact that you are locked in a propaganda campaign to manufacture consent for a new cold war.
I agree that meaningless sloganeering is not an actual way to understand the world. So why do you do it? Do you accuse me of “whataboutisms” while engaging in them yourself in a Trump-style tactic to dismiss any such accusation as more “no you” arguments?
The Chinese are not Marxists, and they do not seek the truth, they bury it.
It’s good that you read about the subpoena of BreakThrough News and the attacks by Marco Rubio on the DSA, PSL, and even individuals like Hasan Piker.
Read up on Ding Jiaxi too.
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You’re talking to a .ml user.
Even Iran figured out how to just shut off the internet when everyone was demanding too much freedom for women. It’s not hard to do with social media, it’s hard to do with a populace that is accustomed to freedom.
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But the protests for women’s liberation were real, and the Iranian regime shut off the internet during those protests in order to suppress them. Even if Mossad was involved in stirring up that unrest it does not justify the state crackdown, nor can it be denied that there is grassroots support for women’s liberation in Iran. If you want your country to be less susceptible to manipulation by foreign agents your best bet is to give the people what they want so that they aren’t negatively polarized against their government in the first place. Every injustice enforced is an exploitable weakness that your adversaries can seize upon.
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I agree with all of that except for the inevitability of repression in a society under siege. Yes, that is a historical trend, but it’s also a choice that leadership makes, and it’s the wrong one. If the Iranian government made concessions on women’s rights, queer rights, etc. while holding firm on national sovereignty it would reduce the level of negative polarization the Iranian people have towards their government giving Mossad less to work with to destabilize Iran.
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You should watch Johnny Harris’ video about the Western puppet regimes installed in Iran.
Maybe worry a little more about US laws restricting freedom for women lately.
I’ve actually already seen this video, and it doesn’t change my stance. Iranian leadership has a choice in how they respond to foreign manipulation and they do not have to respond with repression of their own populace for fear of their adversaries taking advantage of social unrest when they could instead reduce social unrest by making concessions.
You’re taking to someone that unironically claims North Korea is a legitimate communist state. Also uses gpt for all their comments. If you’re engaging in good faith you’re wasting your time because cowbee is a pure tankie propagandist.
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Cowbee, Iran shut off the internet because people were protesting for women’s rights. This was years before the Israeli/American bombing campaign. Stop simping for authoritarian regimes. You sound like an American liberal the way you apologize for their actions.
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You’re dodging the subject. Israel has been fucking with Iran for decades, that’s not the question. The question is why are you okay with Iran shutting down the internet to stop a women’s rights movement?
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ran shut off the internet because people were protesting for women’s rights
Iran shut of internet because of organized attempts at insurrection using women’s rights as an excuse. UK/US want another puppet in place shitting on gold toilets selling out the country cheap.
Two things can be true. Personally I think women’s rights are a great reason for insurrection.
They weren’t a reason. They were an excuse.
What you are actually supporting is invading and subjugating Iran.
Also, it is amusing how you (plural) keep speaking about women’s rights when as supposedly a valid reason to invade other countries (a la the white supremacist fairy tale of “civilising savages”) while your empire actually died stuff like the overthrow of the socialist government of Afghanistan that did improve women’s rights.
He is literally a propagandist that never engages in good faith. I’m not sure if he works for republicans or actually believes his bullshit but he’s definitely doing work for Putin.
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And by listing the three major US enemies (currently) in two comments, with reasoning provided by their very media apparatus, you’re the prime example on how the tighter control on media (and social media) actually affects the populace. Thanks for participating.
I’m not American. Russia is no longer a US enemy, listen to what Trump is saying about Putin.
Since when is Trump’s word gospel? Also, who cares, if you’re US-American.
You declared I was “the prime example on how the tighter control on media (and social media) actually affects the populace” solely for the reason that I “list[ed] the three major US enemies”. This is akin to how Trump supporters declare every criticism of Trump as “TDS”, or how Israelis claim every criticism of their country is “anti-semitism”. You can’t shut down a conversation like that here, maybe on .ml, but not here, people are more curious, more prone to individual thought, more prone to asking questions.
Trump’s word isn’t gospel, his actions are too, like how he fought his own party to prevent sanctions being placed on Russia, or how they are the only country he hasn’t placed tariffs on.
You declared (…) solely on the reason (…)
No, I declared you a prime example, because you were immediately using Whataboutism hinged on these three main adversaries (and none other), which only exist as a narrative because the US government declared them as such and you combined these name drops with western propaganda talking points in an attempt, and as the sole reason to comment at all, to discredit a well formulated critique of the US … on a post about the US committing war crimes. It’s like a learned behaviour.
listen to what Trump is saying about Putin.
Trump’s word isn’t gospel, his actions are
It’s getting confusing.
Russia is not “the only country he hasn’t placed tariffs on”, as the US actually has placed tariffs on Russia, as well as heavy sanctions. But you know, the importance of tariffs vanishes, if you can just sanction a country out of the market and into compliance, anyway? There’s also almost no tariffs on the DPRK or Cuba, because they are heavily sanctioned already. Namely secondary sanctions (which are against international law), that disallow other countries to trade with the sanctioned countries.how he fought his own party to prevent sanctions being placed on Russia
Maybe it’s me, but I find this to be theatre. But maybe you can write down your actual thinking on how the overall dynamics work here., you sound like you’re heavily on the Krasnov theory.
Just making sure the ENTIRE world hates the US.
Bush Jr took you to the brink of that (after marching towards that cliff hard with other previous admins)… the US only needed a nudge to get there and electing a child rapist was like taking the off ramp into the void
There’s a big difference from “we’re going to rename French fries” to “we’re going to invade Greenland”.
Bush did a ton of evil shit… let’s not pretend he was just a silly goose
What in the enhanced interrogations could you be talking about? The man just wants to paint puppies, why are you being so mean to him?
What evil shit did he do for the world (specifically US allies) to hate the US?
Before you answer, let me remind you that most people don’t care about anything that happens to anyone more than 100 km from them.
Bombing Iraq and Afghanistan? Those are far away and there’s always a war in the middle east.
Torturing people? Par for the course in America.
So you want me to list evil stuff but exclude wars that killed hundreds of thousand civilians because you don’t care about those people and torturing humans because the USA does that too often to count?
I think when you say “most people don’t care” you are still just referring to the USA population
The question was about “the world abandoning the US”. What I think is irrelevant, look at the opinion polls in 2005 and 2025.
What evil shit did he do for the world (specifically US allies)
So, you think that the world begins and ends with the invaders of Iraq and Afghanistan?
I’d love to be proven wrong, but bombing weddings and torturing people doesn’t make people abandon the US. Tariffs on the other hand…
So invading Afghanistan and Iraq was justifiable enough for you?
The comment thread you are replying to was about actions that made America hate its enemies. Not anyone’s personal opinion on the justifiability of these actions. I think you are confusing their suggestion that the verbal attacks against France/Greenland made the entire world hate the US more than the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan for a comment on whether these invasions were justified, perhaps in a knee-jerk, strawman-like fashion.
The comment above that I replied to had the effect, regardless of intentions, of dismissing and whitewashing the actions of past US administrations, in a way that reduces the illegal invasions of the current administration into an exceptional, idiosyncratic, and one-off behavior. The reality is the US has been hated worldwide for far too long, at least since the end of WW2. I hope I was informative and pertinent enough according to your standards.
The comment above that I replied to had the effect, regardless of intentions, of dismissing and whitewashing the actions
No, it didn’t, that’s the “knee-jerk” thing I was talking about earlier. See also: Israelis and “anti-semitism”.
Doesn’t matter “to me”, I was about public opinion, and it barely moved the needle, because at the end of the day, it didn’t affect the average Joe.
Didn’t even need to, I walked there fine.
It’s the same high-control, unhealthy policies though, that includes all the hate on LGBTQ+ people too. That was big in his terms, anti-gay ballot initiatives based on lies that hurt people, that turned out the prejudiced base to elect him and others that caused damage here and abroad. It’s always regress and ruin progress, and, yes, the latest maga version of the party is even worse.
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Well, on lemmy downvotes mean even less than on reddit, so honestly who cares. Everyone needs a hobby…
The world did already, but just not enough to cut (economic) ties.
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Obama did the exact same thing.
Obama has been maligned for it too. Trump deserves the same ridicule.
There’s never been a POTUS who didn’t.
These types of comments never elaborate or talk about other relevant things like how Obama didn’t take us into a full blown war with Iran
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And wondered why soldiers drone-bombing civilians from the comfort of air-conditioned offices, thousands of miles away, got PTSD.
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Leaving out the context that Libya was in a civil I’ll war and actively killings its citizens. This actually had some stated purpose.
Whether it wouldve been better to not intervene we can’t know but what we do know is based on his actions and words have stayed consistent since he’s been in office. It give you an idea of his intentions.
This was when retired four star general and former NATO commander, Wesley Clark, disclosed a plan circulating around the Pentagon in 2001 to attack 7 countries in 5 years. The countries named mirror the ones targeted by the PNAC group, as Iraq, Syria, Iran and Libya were all listed in addition to Lebanon, Somalia and Sudan.
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Why don’t you use the same internet you’re using to look it up? You’ll remember longer.
As if any other U.S. president in modern history was any better 🤣
Hates its leaders. I have no hate for my American brothers and sisters
They voted for him knowing what he is.
Killing innocent civillians is a national past-time in the US.
The Indigenous nod in agreement
i really, really wanted to argue with your point, but i just heard a car backfire outside my house and i knew it was a very loud car backfire and not a gunshot because there bang didn’t boom just so. also because at my old place, my neighbor is a mechanic and still has the 60’s mustang he drove in high school (i think. maybe 70’s. SHE’S BLUE OKAY) in show condition and he’d never stand for a backfire like that, president of the car club would take away his keys.
anyways this town has gotten a hell of a lot safer (it’s not an out and out gang war like it was in the 90s) so i’m about as worried about gun violence as i am nuclear war (thanks mr turnip!) but, like also my wife teaches elementary so i follow those godsdamned statistics.
Bro put the bong down you’re not supposed to drink the water
That’s exactly what i’d expect a sippy cup full of delicious bong water to say
It’s resin soup and that’s not the point
This is about foreign policy, not domestic gun violence, lol.
My point was that we do it at home we do it abroad. Under dear gods how much drugs was I on. How much drugs am I on right now?
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The wedding was 2 weeks away from development of a nuclear weapon! 🫲🍊🫱
Reports were firm they had yellow cakes.
“Big If True. Substantial IF Substantiated. Really Really Revelational IF Realized”
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Voting Trump in once was a horrendous mistake. Voting Trump in twice is unforgivable.
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my dude, statesian imperialism has always been happening. this is coming from a californian who has not liked it and has been voting, demonstrating, and doing what i can politically to influence stuff the other direction. our votes change internal politics a fair amount. international politics, Democrat or Republican it don’t matter one fuck the US is the US, it’s mostly run by the career politicians.
This is where Trump coming in fucks things up in a completely different way than previous presidents and differently than his first term, because he’s gutted the career politicians out of the agencies that make up the US government, for example the folk at the state department who’ve been there since Carter, ones who had no political loyalty just loyalty to US imperialism, and replaced them with folks who only have loyalty to Trump. I’ve been struggling to find the words to describe the enormity and speed of the corruption that’s happened in the last year and a half. To call it mindboggling does it a disservice. Mindboggling only puts you about a quarter, maybe a sixth of the way down the path of befuddlement down to where krasnov is.
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yeah, sometimes i want to pretend we’re in 1932 instead of 1938
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That’s whataboutism. Right now, the focus is on Trump.
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Pump the brakes. I’m not revising American history as you seem to suggest with “pinning everything on Trump.” Good lord, obviously previous US presidents are to blame for their various actions in many different countries.
We’re gonna have to try and find a happy medium here. Because we can’t simply say “all presidents have done this and it’s as simple as America having an imperialist attitude” because we need to hold every single one of these people accountable.
I’m a non-American observer. You’ll notice that Obama’s reputation is intact globally and most consider him to be an excellent president in hindsight despite many transgressions like his popularization of drone strikes.
Bush should be held accountable. Obama should be held accountable. Trump should be held accountable.
I think we’re arguing two sides of the same coin here. I agree we can’t ignore the past but we also can’t ignore the present. And Trump has taken his predecessors’ ideas of imperialism to a whole new level - no denying that.
I’m a Canadian. Threatening to annex Canada? You better believe our attitudes here are going to be far more hostile to Trump than they ever were towards Obama. That’s just the way it is.
We’re in agreement - the United States of America (irrespective of who heads the executive branch) is at odds with most of the world. You guys are stuck in a centuries-old attitude of conquest and I can only hope for the world’s sake that you can eventually break free of this perspective.
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Ending capitalism would be lovely. But let me know how we’re supposed to achieve that in the context of US imperialism, tech companies and billionaires hoarding wealth, and the average person gradually losing their voices.
It seems to me that nearly every system in place is there specifically to perpetuate capitalism.
Trump viscerally hates the average American so it seems very clear this movement can’t and won’t begin in the US. He doesn’t want his voters to prosper. And, further to that, Trump has an army of sycophants foaming at the mouth to take over if he dies or god-willing just goes away.
We’re clearly on the same side here in most respects.
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This was happening under Obama, Bush, and all those other “non Trumps”
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They didnt suck this bad at it tho.
Yeah the war crimes have been constant, but generally narrow in focus. disrupting the flow of oil and fertilizer to the world is next level.
Reducing US imperialism to trump is such a lib move.
I really can’t take anybody who says “lib” unironically seriously.
The stupidity of libs can never be understated, your stupid comment just made it more obvious. You lot rather side with your imperialist troops than face this reality that your nation was built by terrorizing the world.
What the fuck are you talking about? Genuinely. And which nation do you assume I represent, exactly?
The chances are that you represent the invaders of Iraq and Afghanistan, i.e. NATO.
US and bombing weddings in the middle east, name a more classic combo.
Israel and sniping children?
Billionaires and raping kids?
Conservatives and molesting underage girls?
idk, I could keep naming duos…
Another in a long proud line of weddings being bombed by America.
They got the gift of freedom.
Israel does that too, curious 😑
That’s part of the strategy.
Often, the innocent civilians, particularly the children targeted, are children or immediate family of high ranking military personnel.
They want the people making important decisions to be in a compromised state of mind.
Not only is it not an accident, it’s the fucking strategy.
So disgusting, I can’t even call them people anymore
Ah, the good old Epstein class. Fightin’ wars to cover up their “tween” business. American soldiers should not be forced to defend a pedophile cabal who are somehow the most powerful people on earth. We need to shake the globe like an etch-a-sketch as the Epstein class will kill anybody or do anything to protect themselves.
are thy actualy ‘forced’ to defend them or did they conciously choose to join in this needless war?!
If all of them conscientiously objected this war would be over in like a day or two.
Iran has the right to defend itself against class traitors and terrorists
Let’s be 100% honest, it’s about oil and US will continue wars for oil just like any empire in history, we’re going after other countries resources. Hate it, love it, it’s just what empires do
This is murder man
Been going on by USA for >20 years.
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You’re kidding right!? More like 250 years.
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How old do you think the USA is?
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Is the USA that OLDDDD?
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If anything, they disappeared into thin air in 1776
Sorry bro, they were only “fatally bombed”
Sounds like Israel tactics as they continue the Palestinian genocide.
I’m all for shitting on Israel, and I’m sure they’ve bombed weddings before, but if anything this is a US classic.
who do you think pulls the pedo-blackmail strings of the diaper filler in chief
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while i think it was sold as the middle east pearl harbor or midway strategically, if you look at the scale of just what we know about the breadth of the child pedophilia ring operating with imperalist backing and then capturing it, i would still say that Israel is doing what they had planned back in the 90s. I would not be surprised if Israel helped 9/11 at this point. It wouldnt be the first time they killed Americans with the intent of drawing us into their war ala USS Liberty. But if you were to look at this, it lines up fairly nicely with the last several decades https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm
“Statesian”? “Zionist entity”? You talk like Jordan Peterson.
You know there are much simpler, more descriptive words for these, yet you choose these 5 dollar words to sound more academic and thus more respectable. Academia is not about obfuscating ideas and obscuring reasoning.
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Jordan Peterson is a grifter who uses big, confusing words around polarizing subjects. Like this:
https://www.wisdomofpeterson.com/
So you use words like “Statesian” out loud when you’re talking in-person?
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If you think everyday words are $5, get a weekly vocabulary lesson for free, online. It’s not up to us to dumb ourselves down all the time, drag yourself UP, and get the needed hand.
If you want to have grown-up conversations, you have to use grown-up words.
No this is more like Russian tactics as they continue the Ukrainian genocide.
OK. They model themselves on Nazi Germany, who modeled themselves on slaver USians.
As is tradition
The US loves to blow up weddings murdering civilians and of course most importantly killing children.
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Evil empire.
The world is ravaged,
By a handful of tyrants,
The faithful voted
That’s an Israeli trick. I wonder if that’s where we learned it?
Call it a congineering project.
No don’t worry the US had already been using those since manifest destiny.
