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    A separate vulnerability in Linux allows users with limited rights to escalate to root. Tracked as CVE-2026-43499, it lurked in the OS for 15 years. Researchers from Nebula Security said they discovered it using Vega, Nebula’s AI-assisted vulnerability scanner. Matt Lucas, a researcher and founder of RedEye Security, explained

    This will become more and more common as we use AI to find vulnerabilities faster (hopefully) than bad actors can use AI to find vulnerabilities.

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        20 years of hoarding CVEs down the drain.

        Now they’ll never be able to gg ez their way into any country and will have to actually use their bribery budget to get more implants lol.

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          Which means the new paradigm will be ‘every piece of hardware is a supply chain attack.’

          cough TPM 2 cough

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          If they leave it out someone else will find it, the days of leaving things out deliberately past.

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        This is why they restrict Mythos and similar.

        They want the vulnerability machine, and they don’t want you to have it.

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      Keep in mind that the rate of errors caught by AI will not be consistent. It will drop off over time.

      While I’m no fan of AI, that has nothing to do with it. Adding AI to error detection suites is (mostly) fine so long as you don’t remove more tradional methods like code review, manually set up unit tests, and properly reviewing each failed test instead of just letting the AI slop in a patch.

      My point is that any test you add to an existing codebase is going to catch a decent number of issues at first, then over time it will drop off as pre-existing issues get resolved. Then you’ll be left with the lower rate of new issues from updates.

      AI isn’t a silver bullet. It (sometimes) is another tool in the toolbox.

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        AI isn’t a silver bullet. It (sometimes) is another tool in the toolbox.

        I would fully agree with that statement.

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      as we use AI to find vulnerabilities faster (hopefully) than bad actors can use AI to find vulnerabilities.

      Oh small, simple child: who do you think has the better access to AI in the first place?

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        This is a reminder that US scientists during the cold war thought fish were russian subs because they didn’t have biologists on staff

        Judging by the way they’ve treated big companies in the past the NSA is staffed by a bunch of people who use backroom deals with US tech companies to collect their data mostly.

        I actually think a large plurality of them spend most their time tracking/stalking their wives and like people they argued with the day before.

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          You start as a bully when a kid, then grow up to be a fash / nazi, then they give you a badge and the ability to institutionalize your hate.

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        small, simple child:

        Didn’t downvote you but…

        LOL! The level condescension sure is right on point Lemmy.That genuinely got a chuckle. In some ways I enjoy being that simple child. Full of wonderment at this universe around him.

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    If it was microsoft they would ban github and gitlab account and not give cve.

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      I’m not a big Google fan but I will give credit where credit is due

      They do put their money where their mouth is

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      Bluehammer guy is going exactly what he needs to do. This is a whole different issue and it’s demonstrating responsible disclosure working exactly the way it’s supposed to.

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    Linux’s “security through obscurity” was never going to last.

    Edit: it’s a common concept in hacking. Shorthand for a type of security through improbability.

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      Linux’s “security through obscurity”

      I lost braincells reading this. The entire point of open source software is to have it visible and auditable, aka the exact opposite of security through obscurity.

      If you want to bash OS’s for relying on STO, go after iOS and Windows. Those OS’s, being closed source, are the ones relying on it

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      I don’t know where you got the notion from that Linux as a whole uses this concept, but it’s nonsense. There’s exactly one place where this definition fits, which is the GRUB bootloader encryption (which merely shifts the target for the Evil Maid attack from the initramfs to GRUB). But this is already adressed with Verified Boot.

      Nothing else, let it be LUKS, PAM, SELinux, AppArmor or whatever has any business with STO.

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        From the fact it used to have to smallest user base of the big three. Less users = less probability of a nefarious person.

        It’s really not that difficult a concept. I’m surprised people here are asking what it is.

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          That doesn’t make any sense as argument no matter how you spin it. Linux is the dominant system for servers for decades now, and a Debian Desktop is quite literally the same as Debian on a server except it also got a GUI of your choice slapped on top. There’s absolutely nothing obscure about it, neither did anyone from the kernel team (Linux), FSF (GNU utils) nor IBM / Red Hat (systemd & honestly way too much other stuff) etc. ever design something around STO. That’s a domain firmly situated in proprietary code since for FOSS it doesn’t make sense to begin with. The false errand of GRUB is the sole exception, well known and solved.

          The desktop market share says absolutely nothing about what you’re trying to argue. Now if you were to argue that Linux is lacking in terms of desktop software isolation then you’d have a point, things like Flatpak still are addressing lots of issues. But to say “Linux” approaches security with obscurity is total nonsense.

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      Security through what now?

      Well, I guess it is obscure… Though only because the number of people who have a full grasp on how the code works is highly limited.

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      The self-hosted crowd thinks reverse proxies protect you from the Internet. Don’t expect too much of them.

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        The selfhosted guys are correct with that. Of course its not a magic pill, but it can help to minimize the attack surface immensely with little effort.

        Edit: while open ports can easily be enumerated, a reverse proxy often requires knowledge of the right server name. In tls1.3 those are not transferred in clear. Depending on your threat scenario you might want to consider doh/dot etc.

        Reverse proxies can require client certs, which lift the security benefit to something like a vpn. Even basic auth adds a high threshold to attackers and is simple even for random users to work with. All this is functionality many services don’t offer natively - as they assume a reverse proxy anyway I guess.

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          See what I mean?

          As if a proxy blindly passing traffic directly to a backend server “reduces attack surface” in any meaningful way. 🙄

          Edit: Guy edits his post with a bunch of stuff and assumes I’ve read it later. I can’t eyeroll enough…

          1. You’ve increased your “attack surface” by adding a second application to the stack. Proxies aren’t magic, they are also targets.
          2. Sure - you can do those things on a proxy. How many people here are? And why are those things never suggested when people here say “use a reverse proxy”? Because they think the proxy is the security.
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            Did you just add ‘blindly passing traffic’ to your statement? Did you read my comment about can help?

            Move on, joker.

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              Sorry - which part of your comment added anything of value? “can help to minimize the attack surface”? 99% of the time a proxy just passes traffic through. Unless you’re talking about a WAF which is a) a different thing and b) NOT what any home gamers are talking about when they recommend nginx, traefik, etc. to newbs.

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        You are right about that a reverse proxy does not protect. But I can not relate that with security through obscurity.

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        There’s also a big brigading problem with going against the “common knowledge” of Lemmy. Brave can do no good. Reverse proxy on the internet and you’re secure. Etc.

        That your comment is downvoted and barely debated speaks volumes to Lemmy as actual discourse.

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          It’s being downvoted with relatively little discourse because it’s an insult with no relevance to the topic, in addition to supporting a comment from someone who is either trolling or has no idea what they’re talking about