They didn’t AFAIK. You are just seeing reports made from Piefed, which do federate better.
Well shit. You’re right. All those reports I got were from Piefed users only.
What’s Lemmy’s excuse?
Dessalines is too busy defending Russia and China’s governments.
You can donate to Nutomic directly. That has other issues… and still isn’t ideal to depend on one developer rather than the entirety of the engineering world that is familiar with working in Python.
It’s disingenuous to say that developers aren’t familiar with Rust, it’s one of the most popular modern programming languages.
Though I agree, the Lemmy devs are assholes. Nutomic too.
Yeah, don’t donate to the cringe tankie asshole. Just donate to the cringe transphobic tankie asshole instead.
That’s why we both are on PieFed:-)
Blaze also used them as a method to implement multi-communities on Lemmy, before PieFed made that obsolete.
Look if it’s not too much to ask, what is going on here, I am not following at all. Neither the meme nor your comment, I would like to learn more about how this works.
Thanks!
Oh ok, thanks for the clarification. That’s a good thing, right? Or not?
Edit: Actually this got me thinking… Hmm.
Let’s just put it this way: lemmy.ml is “special”. You are correct that tankies have zero interest in receiving reports from the Western world, but the more democratically-aligned portions of the Threadiverse would like for work to be distributed rather than centralized into one authoritarian instance that controls everything.
However, this is only one of the many ways in which the Lemmy software does not perfectly align with the interests that most people worldwide would like to see from it. But… it’s their software, so they can work on or not work on various aspects of it as they see fit?
Like there is a modlog but no mod mail, no notification about someone’s content being censured, no ability to appeal or ask questions after a ban, unless you DM every mod in the entire community individually (bc the modlog simply says that the action was taken by a “mod” - so how else to reach the one that did it?). Highly ironically (and almost hilariously?), Lemmy is somehow even more authoritarian than Reddit, in these respects!!🤣🤪 Put another way, it offers enormous freedoms to instance admins (which Reddit explicitly does not allow) and moderators, but not so much to the people at the end user level.
Edit:
Lemmy is more than 5 years old and still not even 20% done. While Reddit is 20 years old and is already overdone with unnecessary things. I think that developers simply haven’t implemented things you have described yet.
Lemmy was designed to appeal to instance admins - as it should be? - and seems to work just fine in the eyes and hands of the developers, who also admin and moderate the lemmy.ml (and with close ties also to the lemmygrad.ml) instance(s).
As the comments in this very OP show though, the developers have been exceedingly slow - perhaps not intentionally - in making the software work as well in the wider Threadiverse, where activities such as moderation can now be shared by others.
Also, many times changes have seemed to me to be moving in the opposite direction, towards rather than away from authoritarian control. Two examples include the switch from showing the name of a specific mod to now simply say “mod” (which wouldn’t be bad at all if there was a modmail, but since there is not… it leaves the end-user little recourse to ask questions about a ban?), and the “instance banning” (which btw seems horribly misnamed to me, as it does not “block” much of anything, merely muting communities on that instance) that used to not trigger notifications when someone from the instance that you tried to “block” would reply to your content, but then in a later version allowed those notifications, here too leaving users far less power to accomplish their desires. In contrast, instance admins have a full defederation option available to them, but what option is left to the end user to block all users from an instance, who can DM, vote, and reply to your content to their hearts content, while you can do little about the matter. To clarify, I mean on Lemmy, whereas PieFed allows blocking all users from an instance.
And looking at the moderation practices used on Lemmy.ml - particularly the lack of transparency where people are routinely banned for rules that are never outright stated - makes me think that the authoritarian principles baked into the Lemmy codebase are not an oversight, but rather a feature. At least in the sense of being de-prioritized.
Which is their right btw to implement the code however they see fit. Perhaps someone can contribute a PR, maybe they’ll accept and share it with everyone. And also, people are free to use and contribute to PieFed, which has an entirely different set of principles that are based far less on authoritarian control.
Well… That’s a huge block of information.😁
But, anyway, I’ve got what you mean. In any case, Lemmy is still in development as I see. So it is hard to tell if the devs are really sticking to authoritarian principles or just haven’t implemented the useful features due to other priorities, laziness or other development reasons. All I see in Lemmy is a good, half baked project that just needs some more attention and a bigger userbase.
The main reason I am using it is because of in normal comunities you don’t get banned straight away but just have you post/comment deleted. And even if you get banned, it is a real achievement to be banned to use the whole Lemmy federation, not only 1 comunity. While nowadays it is very easy to gain bans on Reddit. So, I am glad to just be in less toxic and more free space despite its disadvantages.
Someone already mentioned what is going on in the OP.
In addition, PieFed has categories of communities and user-customizeable and shareable Feeds, allowing you to both have your cake and eat it too by expanding upon the binary choices of merely “Subscribed” vs. “All”. e.g. you could unsubscribe from news communities to remove all that from your Subscribed Feed, yet still see all News & Politics communities at the touch of a button (or what I do is subscribe to far fewer, more highly selective communities, but then I still have access to a wider selection whenever I switch over to that specific Feed).
The only way to do that with Lemmy was to have one account per topic area that you wanted to highlight focus on. Which since Blaze already had one account per instance (for the aforementioned issue of reports not federating), he used that alt army to achieve. Think like: one account for politics, another for memes, one for the weekend, one for evenings, a different for mornings, etc. (A major downside is that I for one can never remember which one to tag him with, at any given time!🥴😉🤔)
Lemmy will eventually add multi-communities, although it may take a year for the updated code to trickle its way through all the various instances, particularly Lemmy.World. Meanwhile, PieFed has already had this feature for nearly that same length of time, and a year from now I expect it will be even better!
(There is a friendly rivalry between Lemmy and PieFed - they are roughly equivalent in terms of feature sets and polish now, with each having areas wherein they shine and other areas that we put up with while awaiting improvements. Here is a list of PieFed features in relation to Lemmy - such lists are difficult to keep updated since PieFed adds new features roughly weekly, e.g. now we have emoji reactions. Eventually PieFed will surpass Lemmy by far since its usage of the extremely common Python language rather than Rust that is the polar opposite enables many more contributors to help tinker with it.)
I want the ability for finer grained blocking to block just comms but not users from an instance. Unfortunately my request for it seems to have pissed Rimu off ideologically.
I am not sure why you would need that myself? The entire model of using PieFed can be different from how using Lemmy. Using the latter you mostly end up having to use All and then block just tons and tons of communities that you don’t want to see (and then keep doing that over and over again as new ones get created), but PieFed’s capability to use categories of communities and user-customizeable and shareable Feeds opens up while new vistas of control.
You can, for instance, simply unsubscribe from let’s just spitball here by saying all of those huge major communities from Lemmy.World (but better than that, you could keep some without having to deal with such broad brush strokes as “all” or “none”), yet you can still view content from those communities anytime you want to, in the category Feeds. This makes the Subscribed Feed on your main landing page actually fully usable to find content most of the time, unlike on Lemmy where attempting to do that gets so difficult.
Plus there’s tons of other filtering options as well, including by keywords (here too there are options to filter out not only “All” or “None” of the specified keyword, but there’s another option to allow just “Some” of that content through, at a low level), or hide controversial content based on number of downvotes (I have this disabled, but it’s there for anyone who needs it!), and so on.
So you can have what you want without needing to fully “block” them, as you would have had to have done on Lemmy, where the only available options are basically yes or no, yet on PieFed there are so many additional nuances possible, that it doesn’t really make sense to implement a new feature for something that we all routinely do anyway, but in a manner that is fully customized to our individual needs? But e.g. someone could make a shared Feed that accomplishes essentially this goal, so that everyone could benefit from that endeavor.
Does any of this make sense? Having used Lemmy for years now, I think I see why you are asking about it, but also knowing PieFed well, I see why he might say that you don’t “need” it, given everything else that would also accomplish that goal instead, and in a less “harsh” manner than a full block (but ofc feel free to block whatever communities you want to as well - a year ago the latter feature did not exist yet, an oversight, but it absolutely works just fine nowadays).
The obvious reason, which you’ve probably guessed, is that I want to block the tankie trio and not interact in their communities. I would however like to interact with .ml users since I don’t want to reinforce the echo chamber the admins are building.
it doesn’t really make sense to implement a new feature
Here’s the thing, the ability to block instances is already implemented. It currently gives you the option to fully block the instance (comms and users) or block just users. I want to block just comms, and given the existing feature set it can’t be much more complicated than adding an extra option to that list and a couple of extra conditions in the filter. Hardly a huge programming task.
Rimu was pretty clear in his response to my request that he did not agree with my intended usage model, and as such would not implement it, despite it being a simple change. I have no idea why he gets ideologically insistent on random stuff, but I’ve heard from others I trust that he’s done it on other topics on occasion.
Can you not just manually block the communities from those instances as you see them?
To a lesser extent, I would like to block other instances, especially foreign language and porn ones. Blocking each comm as they appear is a never ending process.
Probably. The entire interaction just rubbed me the wrong way, it had a very ‘my way or the highway’ vibe to it. He also didn’t bother continuing the conversation past the original reply despite me being polite.
Well I mentioned how you can accomplish that now already - just not subscribe to those communities, or use Feeds that incorporate them. I suppose it’s a hard job to make an entire Threadiverse platform so I can only guess what underlying reasons Rimu may have for not wanting to implement the model you described to streamline that process.
You don’t have to guess, he explicitly stated why, as I mentioned
They still don’t? I have to log into my Lemmy.World account every now and then just to check the report log for my communities, since they don’t federate to other instances.
What is this about?
Reports always federated though???
The way lemmy handles reports means that when a report is made, it goes to 3 instances at most.
When someone makes a report, the report goes to 3 instances. The instance hosting the account making the report. The instance hosting the community in which the content was posted. The instance hosting the user who generated the reported content.
The only people who can see these reports are admins of these instances, and any community moderators that happen to have an account on one of those instances. A community moderator or admin on any other instance, will not see the report.
As an aside, each instance only gets a single report, and if it’s actioned by an admin or a mod, it closes the report on that instance (but not the other two).
As another aside, removals by admins on the reporting users instance and the reported users instance do not federate. These removals are instance specific. However, removals made by a community moderator (on any instance, whether or not it received a report) will federate that removal out to all other instances that received the content from the community.
Piefed federates reports differently. I don’t know whether they send reports to everyone, or just to instances with community moderators, but either way, it gets past the current gap that lemmy has, where sometimes community moderators simply don’t see the reports.
They didn’t. They still don’t. Only the piefed reports are making it through.
From federated user to the community’s local instance, yes. From the community’s local instance to federate) mod accounts, no.
They’re apparently still not except from Piefed. (Thanks PoVoq for clearing that up).
