Pejorative for communist.

Nobody believes what you claim they do, many trans folk are heterosexual. Supporting trans rights is a good thing, and opposing it is bigoted. “Left MAGA” doesn’t exist.

Yea, it’s extremely creepy behavior on PJ’s part, and a pattern. Thanks for the reminder!

We’ve already been over this, I disagree with your rejection and stated why before. We don’t need to go through this again.

Nah, the fact that you cape for racists and conspiracy theorists speaks to your character.

They aren’t baseless, Rimu and many PieFed users are deeply reactionary. Contextualization is important because it’s necessary for correct analysis.

Can you answer why you’re insistent on analyzing processes outside of the context they exist in? If you’re not going to respond to my criticisms of your metaphysical outlook from last time, then defend it, otherwise all I can do is continue to point out that you keep trying to slice away context and view processes in a vacuum that doesn’t exist and doesn’t represent reality accurately as a consequence.

It’s incredibly obvious that they are talking about right-wing views in general, and you’re laser-focusing on the German Nazi Party. That’s why discussion with you never gets anywhere.

Can you answer why you’re insistent on analyzing processes outside of the context they exist in? If you’re not going to respond to my criticisms of your metaphysical outlook from last time, then defend it, otherwise all I can do is continue to point out that you keep trying to slice away context and view processes in a vacuum that doesn’t exist and doesn’t represent reality accurately as a consequence.

The propogation of far-right views by PieFed users and the head dev is what @Riverside@reddthat.com is referring to.

Rimu considers the viewpoint that the 1930s famine in the soviet union being a combination of mismanagement and adverse weather conditions, rather than a deliberate targeting of ethnic groups, to be “genocide denial” and thus worthy of total censorship. This is despite the fact that the mainstream contemporary opinion on the 1930s famine even among reputable liberal historians is that it was as I said.

For instance, Mark Tauger wrote:

[data] indicate that the famine was real, the result of a failure of economic policy, of the ‘revolution from above,’ rather than of a ‘successful’ nationality policy against Ukrainians or other ethnic groups.

Tauger believes it was a failure of economic policy, not an intentional attack on ethnic Ukrainians. The 1930s famine was a combination of drought, flooding, and mismanagement. Further, the Kulaks, wealthy bourgeois farmers, magnified matters by killing their own crops in the midst of a famine rather than letting the Red Army collectivize them.

This, to Rimu, is considered to be genocide denial. This is despite Wikipedia’s own acknowledgement that “scholars continue to debate whether the human-made Soviet famine was a central act in a campaign of genocide,[169] or a tragic byproduct of rapid Soviet industrialization and the collectivization of agriculture.[170]:”

Other historians such as Michael Ellman consider the Holodomor a crime against humanity, but do not classify it as a genocide.[181] Economist Steven Rosefielde and historian Robert Conquest consider the death toll to be primarily due to state policy, and poor harvests.[182] Following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Conquest was granted access to the Soviet state archives alongside other western academics.[183] In 2004, Wheatcroft published a private correspondence that he had with Conquest. In the exchange, Conquest wrote that he is now of the opinion that the Holodomor was not purposefully inflicted by Stalin but “what I argue is that with resulting famine imminent, he could have prevented it, but put ‘Soviet interest’ other than feeding the starving first – thus consciously abetting it”.[184] In an interview recorded in 2006 Conquest stated the Holodomor should be recognized as an attack on the Ukrainian people and discussed problems with the use of the term genocide.[185]

Robert Davies, Stephen Kotkin, Stephen Wheatcroft and J. Arch Getty reject the notion that Stalin intentionally wanted to kill Ukrainians, but conclude that Stalinist policies and widespread incompetence among government officials set the stage for famine in Ukraine and other Soviet republics.[186][187][108] Anne Applebaum believes that the famine was planned to undermine Ukrainian identity but discusses how shifts in understanding of the term genocide mean that it is more difficult to apply now that it was when the term was initially conceived. Another argument she puts forward is that the question of genocide is not as important as it once was because it was a proxy debate about Ukraine and Ukrainians’ right to exist, a right which no longer needs historic justification.[188]

Further, Rimu repeats the far-right McCain Institute talking points about supposed “organ harvesting” in China towards the far-right Falun Gong cult:

And this is despite the fact [that no supporting evidence for this conspiracy theory has been found](Here’s an example of investigating claims made by the Falun Gong about organ harvesting, with no evidence found, even from western investigation.)

Overall, Rimu in particular promotes an unquestioning, dogmatic view of history that goes well beyond what’s considered definitive even in the west. Rimu also therefore uses the admin position of PieFed.social to silence any reasonable, developed dissent, no matter how well-sourced.

Was that specific enough?

Look up Assata Shakur, and read Assata: An Autobiography.

Can you answer why you’re insistent on analyzing processes outside of the context they exist in? That’s all this comment does as well. If you’re not going to respond to my criticisms of your metaphysical outlook, then defend it, otherwise all I can do is continue to point out that you keep trying to slice away context and view processes in a vacuum that doesn’t exist and doesn’t represent reality accurately as a consequence.

And yet I don’t think people who believed in WMD stuff from then thought Iraqis were subhuman either. Just a detail there.

Except they did. Anti-Iraqi bigotry was all over the news, manufacturing consent for war. The racism played a part in selling the lies about WMD.

No, you gave me one other data-point from statista that measured attitudes to socialism (not communism). Your other link just referred back to your original communism poll with 30% of under 30s. That same poll also asked people’s opinions on socialism, which is what it also spoke about.

I gave you an earlier poll from 1978 as well, you can feel free to revisit my earlier comments and find it. None of that changes your metaphysical outlook on the world around us, which is the fundamental problem here, one you refuse to even acknowledge as such.

I would assume many people who echo or read the claims here about organ harvesting are convinced, at least somewhat, by the many articles and groups that have investigated it. It has much more body behind it in writing than Trumps claims about Haitians eating cats and dogs which is an attack against individuals Haitians vs. Chinese government.

And these people would be falling for far-right propaganda, same as the anti-Haitian nonsense. The “body behind it” is built on shakey eyewitness testemony from a far-right cult, and counter-investigation has found nothing supporting the cult’s claims. This is just Saddam and the WMD allegations all over again, which also had a “large body of writing” that ended up being gibberish to anyone actually investigating it.

Small group says they’re growing. What a surprise.

You are, from what I can see monitoring reasonable rises in ‘socialism’ identification (which could mean a number of things) and then just assuming it’ll continue growing and then also saying it must also be heavily filtering down to communism based on one poll specifically, and which we have no historical polls to compare it to.

I gave you other polls, but more importantly I’m not just assuming proven trends will continue without basis, but by comparing it to other historical trends where support for socialism and communism rose. It climbs in response to decaying material conditions, which are observable in the US Empire. Your intention to ignore context, and to try to analyze everything as a static, unmoving abstract is again an example of metaphysics on your part, which is anti-scientific in analysis.

By this logic, you could say any criticism of China is inherently racist.

No? I criticize the PRC from time to time, just on the basis of material reality, not baseless allegations by a far-right cult magnified by the western press as easy propaganda.

Evangelists don’t force conversion. They’re just shouting in the street at people holding their scripture. They may pester, or holler at people walking by.

And yeah, a hypothetical libertarian or MAGA type would be similar.

Cool, so that doesn’t apply to me, then.

I don’t spread it. You bought it up to me originally.

You brought up “evidence” and said it had a good deal of history and investigation. If you haven’t investigated it, then don’t just do that and legitimize the narrative.

Or people’s understanding of socialism widens and changes. There is a rise to it, but I don’t know if I’d say it’s notable larger than a recent revival to social conservatism as many other polls have depicted.

Contradictions are sharpening, the left is becoming more consistently socialist/communist while the right is becoming more reactionary. Both are true, because this is a dialectical struggle of two opposing tendencies, one seeking to progress forward, the other seeking to wind the clock “back,” so to speak. It isn’t “either-or,” it’s “both-and.” This is yet anothet example of metaphysics in your analysis, and is why you need to adopt a dialectical viewpoint if you want to accurately see the world.

Google search seems to suggest PSL doesn’t release its membership figures publicly, so not sure what data you’re referring to.

You are also assuming, or seem to be assuming that any relatively rises in communism (which, to be clear is not specifically laid out by any empirical data) will somehow hold and it will keep growing progressively.

PSL membership is increasing, this is coming from the members themselves. They don’t release hard data because they aren’t stupid, but 2024-2026 in particular have had tremendous growth.

The trends for increasing socialism/communism coincide with capitalist decay, which is an observable, material process. It isn’t something that happens because people discuss it alone, but because life has been getting harder and harder for the statesian working classes year over year.

This is why you need to apply dialectical materialism to understand the world accurately.

It’s clearly got more history and investigations behind it historically than the “cats and dogs” rubbish from Trump which literally cast aspersions on individuals because they are from Haitian (or even just assumed to be) rather than the organ-harvesting thing which attacks the government, not Chinese people individually. What would be comparably racist here would be people making claims about Chinese hygiene or food after COVID.

The major difference is that the allegations are against foreigners, not immigrants. The claims of organ harvesting harken to colonial arguments against “savages” that can’t govern themselves properly.

Why would the USA cut them off economically down the line?

Because the US Empire is declining, and has less and less financial power, plus the PRC will be able to undercut Taiwanese production eventually anyways.

I disagree. I once saw post by you basically saying you specifically use your .ml account for outreach so in that sense, you are.

But by your own admission, an evangelist forces conversion. I don’t. Use consist definitions. Further, are all activists that focus on actvism “evangelists” to you, or just left-wing ones?

I haven’t looked into the allegations specifically myself, beyond being aware of them having been made when I see a news article pop up about it from time-to-time.

So you’re uncritically giving credibility to far-right propaganda, then, and are comfortable spreading it.

I know, but polls are often vague when using terms, and so plenty of people also answer in that same spirit - so you can get plenty of people who aren’t actually socialists may well answer “yes” to that in the first place.

Sure, but it’s important to contextualize that with shifting demographics overall, and the knowledge that as socialism spreads, misconceptions about it shrink away among those that describe themselves as such.

Right, so on the question of communism specifically, we can’t know how young people felt about it in the 90s, 00s, 10s etc to make a useful comparison for how it has grown here or whether or not it was at any point highet etc.

This is vulgar empiricism. If you engage in actual analysis of material, real trends over time, contextualize them with declining opinions of capitalism, rising opinions of socialism, etc, then you can observe related rising in communist sympathies. Communist orgs like PSL are gaining in membership rapidly, and the statesian working classes are becoming increasingly radicalized. By focusing purely on abstractions, you again make the mistake of seeing history as static snapshots.

I said I didn’t regard it as inherently racist.

You also defended and legitimized the viewpoint itself.

Depends on if by “pull out” you just mean militarily. USA moving out of Taiwan in terms of committing to defending them doesn’t necessarily mean that their economy would degrade.

Taiwan depends on exports of semiconductors, without the US presense millitarily and economically and as the PRC improves its semiconductor production Taiwan will be economically compelled to fully reintegrate.

I don’t evangelise for Piefed. I defend it a lot, but I never really tell people they must use it.

Cool, so I’m not an evangelist then.

There’s all kinds of organisations listed on there. The point is regardless of what you claim, it has been at a much higher level of reputation than the Haitian claims.

They have the same level of credibility. The fact that more westerners fall for anti-China propaganda does not mean that it is more credible.

Socialism will absolutely include a ton of social-democrats and incrementalists. The second link you’ve referred to here is a report on the same poll that focuses on their support for “socialism”. Specifically, what polls that directly ask people about communism can we refer to from the 90s, 00s, 10s etc?

Social democrats are not included in socialism, and incrementalists are fringe. Socialism is inherently pre-communist, and thus rising attitudes towards socialism are linked to rising attitudes towards communism. There’s no consistent polling of communism specifically in the US over time, but you can compare these numbers above with the numbers from 1983.

What have I spread?

You legitimized the blatant propaganda about “organ harvesting” in order to defend Rimu.

This doesn’t change the fact that most people on Taiwan don’t want to be governed by the CCP and their history of emerging from a brutal dictatorship doesn’t invalidate what they are now.

Nope, but it contextualizes why, as the US Empire decays and pulls out of Taiwan, it’s likely that reunification will become dominant as Taiwan lags economically behind the PRC.

It is your right to evangelise, but it’s going to put people off.

My activism seems to only put some people off, and these kinds of people are the ones that already have their minds made up, like yourself. I know that my work in real life and my posting online has directly contributed to creating more communists, which is net positive for sure.

Likewise, I have seen your PieFed evangelizing put people off of PieFed, but likely by people that wouldn’t want to use PieFed anyways.

The ‘organ harvesting’ stories, accusations, investigations etc have been around for years, decades and been at a much higher level of investigation than the baseless, completely random claims of Haitians eating cats and dogs in Springfield as shouted out suddenly by Trump during the debate. It also concerns allegations towards government practices, as opposed to casting aspersions towards people purely because they’re of Haitian ancestry (or alleged - as much of the claims in the USA often just made the assumption that if a black person did something related to these claims, they must be of Haitian heritage).

“Trust me bro.” Seriously, investigate the McCain institute claims you’re repeating with an ounce of intellectual honesty. They are baseless and rely on “eyewitness reports” alone, typically from the Falun Gong, itself a far-right cult. Here’s an example of investigating claims made by the Falun Gong about organ harvesting, with no evidence found. You’re repeating far-right propaganda.

How does your polling data contrast to young people’s opinions on communism as compared to 2015, 2005, 1995 etc? Do we have historical data to compare this to?

Not the same institute, but polling in favor of socialism/communism has been steadily increasing in the US over time. This is backed up by consistent polling.

Genuinely not interested.

Facts scare you, but you sure seem to love spreading far-right propaganda, got it. Checks out.

No reason to believe that a hypothetical US revolution wouldn’t meet the same outcome.

There’s every reason to believe that if we learn from successful revolutions and avoid the pitfalls of unsuccessful ones that we will succeed.

I’m not giving you any analysis, just telling you that we are at a fundamental impasse.

No, you are giving me analysis. You equate the collapse of socialism in China with the dissolution of capitalism in the US based on abstracting them from their context, ie metaphysics.

Not sure what that has to do with Taiwan as it is now, or how that means that them having great approval ratings in China means people on Taiwan automatically share those views.

History is a process impacted by what came before it, not a series of random, static snapshots. You need to understand historical context to understand the future, what you are doing is an example of metaphysics.

You can think he’s sharing propaganda, conspiracy theories etc but then claiming he does it because he thinks that Chinese people are subhuman is a nasty, vile smear.

If someone shared a story of Haitian immigrants eating cats and dogs off the street, would you not say that this is baked in racism? If neither are baked in reality but are instead pushed to support an agenda, then it’s quite obvious that racism plays a part.

And all you want to do on here is political activism, and nothing else on here. I’m not interested in being politically preached at.

Is it not my right to advocate for better when abiding by the rules?

Trust me bro.