Bazzite has a very simple process for installing software that isn’t on Flatpak: You spin up a virtual machine running a better distro and install it there
So I realize this is a meme community but why not, its on topic:
… How is one supposed to install say, I2P, I2PD … on Bazzite?
I have tried the flatpak but it doesn’t work properly because it only installs at the user level via the app store/flatpak… not the system level.
I have tried to figure out how to set it up in a distro box and am apparently too stupid to figure this out.
I am also apparently too stupid to figure out which of the like 8 different kinds of ports I2P uses for one thing or another… I actually need to forward in my router.
help plz
Yes, I have read the wiki.
As I said, flatpak no worky because you don’t have a system level install option.
Flatseal might help, but I do not know what I’d have to custom configure.
Ujust has no helper commands for i2p.
Homebrew might help for setting up the daemon, but i wouldn’t know how to connect it properly to a firefox or librewolf container tab, within bazzite.
… Quadlet.
Ok. This didn’t exist the last time I looked at the wiki a couple months ago, goddamnit.
I2P does have a docker set up guide… this might actually work, if it can direcrtly fuck with bazzite’s systemctl.
That being said: I have never use cli docker before so… wheee!
Uh other than that:
Distrobox is basically a very fancy docker container… maybe if I set up a whole distro, with I2P, and its own version of ffox, lwolf… that would work?
…afaik there is no official i2p appimage, and even if there was, its containerized, same problem as a flatpak.
… and finally, rpm ostree, the big no no… yeah, there is no official .rpm for i2p.
… I… guess… i could set up vanilla fedora… in distrobox… and try to compile it from source… and then… either install that rpm in the fedora-distrobox… or… bazzite itself?
… its mid night, im going to bed rofl.
‘Car’ should have been painted over with white instead of black. The other text already has a white outline. This is hard to read.
They’re on Bazzite so maybe they only had black installed
Bazzite has a very simple process for installing software that isn’t on Flatpak: You spin up a virtual machine running a better distro and install it there
Seems like someone didn’t bother reading any of the documentation… There are like 4 alternative ways to do it, including using apt (in a distrobox).
Me 10 years ago after deciding to go into the deepend a bit to learn Linux and installing Slackware.
It would be DNF in this case
yt-dlp AND btop isnt on the default app store on Bazzite. Im sure theres a way to get them installed, but it was rather annoying playing my game, watching a video on the side, finding a video that looks worth keeping, and i cant download it
yt-dlp works just fine for me on bazzite. I think I just use the app image? I even made an alias for it in my bashrc file so I only need to type “yt”.
Some other tips: play around with BoxBuddy (distrobox) for a bit if you haven’t yet.
You can use apt if you want, just create a Debian distrobox. BoxBuddy allows you to easily create shortcuts to apps installed in distroboxes to run them directly on your host system. So once you create it you never have to mess with the box again if you don’t want to.
I came from EndeavourOS, so I just made an Arch distrobox that I can use to get packages from the AUR.
“ujust update” (or the bazzite system updater thing) command will update all of your distrobox images (and any apps installed on them) as part of the process. And if you mess something up, or decide you don’t want it, you just delete the distrobox.
It’s actually pretty easy, and I think it’s cool that your distro doesn’t really matter anymore.
Ive only played with Bazzite for 2 days now. (Got a 2nd hand keayboard last year August. Finally changed the RGB with Bazzite and its OpenRPG tool). If you can set up Desktop mode as the default boot, then it is probably the best distro to reccomend to new users.
I do have Arch as my main OS installed on another drive, and that does everything else i need.
It’s good for new users. But it should be noted that does not mean that power users and tinkerers wouldn’t also like it.
I tinkered around and made an Arch install for myself last year, until I realized that it was just turning into Bazzite but with extra steps, so I went back to Bazzite.
Yeah, things are different on Bazzite. You can install things via homebrew as well. For yt-dlp use
brew install yt-dlp(same command for btop). If something isn’t on homebrew too, there is a distrobox option. If you get used to AUR, Bazzite can be a little tedious.If you get used to AUR, Bazzite can be a little tedious.
I just use my Arch distrobox to access AUR if I need to (though I don’t think I’ve had to).
rpm-ostree is an adjustment, but now that I understand it more and know all of my options for installing packages, I think it’s fantastic.
The devs recommend against using rpm-ostree but yeah, distrobox is limitless. It’s just doing things different way. I also like how Bazzite (or Aurora) adds a program as a menu shortcut installed via distrobox, pretty convenient.
I just mean learning how the ostree shit works in general for the most part. For pinning images and learning how to rollback if needed, etc.
I try not to install things using rpm-ostree unless absolutely necessary.
Edit: I probably should have just said “ostree” in the original comment.
You most likely won’t need it since there is distrobox option.
I had to install coolercontrol that way. Unless that was a ujust command, I forget.
Bazzite is the better distro because you install things in a distrobox. Muck around, break things in there, but your main distro stays safe, secure and stable.
Until the keys change. And you spend forever wondering why it updates every day only to realize it was the same update over and over and over, and the only way they announce they broke things is a GitHub issue.
I love Bazzite, daily it on my gaming PC. But imutable distros do have challenges, and installing non-standard software is defintlately one of them.
Until the keys change. And you spend forever wondering why it updates every day only to realize it was the same update over and over and over, and the only way they announce they broke things is a GitHub issue.
Keys for what? Bazzite? When did this happen?
Yes, this did happen, but also, they fixed it, and owned up to and totally explained their mistake.
Hmmm. I use QubesOS mainly for the ability to have a separate VM for different things that I can muck around in and not break shit. Does bazzite offer a similar experience?
You don’t run a VM for everything with Bazzite, Distrobox is more like Flatpak or WSL in that regard.
It also isn’t much more secure, it’s just that everything is a bit more contained and comes with their own dependencies.
So it’s kinda like a docker container its got its own filesystem and root runtime but not its own kernel?
Distrobox is just a set of shell scripts that controlls Podman under the hood. Not only is it like docker, it literally uses the same container format (ContainerD).
Huh the more u know lol
Eh, it’s fedora under the hood with SELinux enabled, and immutable, better than most security wise, I didn’t say much more.
I replied to @muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee and understood the question like “Is distrobox as secure as QubesOS?”, which I replied with “No”.
I’d say Fedora Atomic is definitely a bit more secure than other distros (e.g. Ubuntu, regular Fedora, etc.) for reasons you mentioned, but if you are a user that thinks that only Qubes offers the security you need, than there’s no alternative.
I can recommend you Secureblue tho as a good middle ground.
It’s Fedora Atomic, but hardened, a bit like GrapheneOS. Still viable for comfortable everyday use, but much more secure.I replied to @muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee and understood the question like “Is distrobox as secure as QubesOS?”, which I replied with “No”.
Ahh, fair cop. Good point on Secureblue, but my threat model doesn’t take me there.
As a Bazzite fan, lmao. True
yeah it’s
rpm-ostree install <pkg>what’s the big deal
Not really though… Not gonna be that annoying guy and repeat what I and others have said elsewhere in the thread, but you should read some of the replies here.
This made me lol today, thank you
its in the ubuntu or debian toolbox. distrobox is pretty freaking awesome.
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I have Debian on my Legion Go because of this.
You could have just made a Debian distrobox
I wanted Debian over Bazzite.
I’m not a fan of Bazzite.
Are you a Bazzite dev?
It’s okay, I promise we still like Bazzite. We’re just haha-ing over here, nothing personal.
I am not, I just really like it lol… And people seem to have lots of misconceptions about it so I like to try to clear that stuff up when I see it.
As a long time Linux user, I can relate 100%
I moved to Cachy for my Ally now. It’s swap implementation allow me to set the VRAM on auto and play Last Epoch and my TTW install without crashing due to running out of RAM.
Ooh! Is that swap implementation the default? I got back into LE for the launch of the newest season, and while I haven’t had any problems on my Ally or Deck yet, I just finished the campaign so I’m barely into endgame - I hear the issues start as you get deeper into monos…
Funnily enough, I use Cachy on my desktop, but I don’t recall seeing anything regarding this, but I’m definitely happy to run it on my Ally too if it helps avoid future potential crashes.
But why, though? Why not just use the better distro directly?
Because I play games on my PC and bazzite works wonderfully for that right out of the box?
Because I like the concept of an immutable distro and not having to ever worry about an update breaking my install, and not being able to boot to my desktop ever again?
What makes it a “better distro” exactly?
Also, I can install/run packages from any other distro and package manager from there, not just “the better distro.” I use it to access the AUR for example. There aren’t many limitations there at all. While also being incredibly stable…
I have nvidia, so Debian works better for gaming personally
Well, I can’t speak to that as I have no experience with it. I do know that bazzite has a couple preconfigured “ujust” commands related to setting up nvidia drivers. No idea how well it works.
Bazzite desktop seems to be completely usable with a 20XX+ card. It’s Gaming Mode that boots straight into steam big picture mode that where all of the issues lie.
Cards below do suffer even on desktop though and can regularly crash due to an instability in their drivers when using wayland.
Because it’s a lot easier to get Bazzite running Debian than Debian running PC games. This ain’t the 90’s, gaming on Linux doesn’t need to be hard just so you can call youself a 1337 Linux haxor.
rpm-ostree install would like to have a word with you
They do specifically, multiple times, in multiple places in the wiki… tell you that you really, really shouldn’t use rpm-ostree unless you absolutely know exactly what you are doing… because you can run into dependency conflict hell, and then the tree build will fuck up.
Bazzite updates to a newer version of a shared dependency, but something you manually added… has not?
Or visa versa, your custom thing requires a newer version, or some dependency that is for whatever reason just a conflicting fork of an existing dependency?
Something is gonna break, potentially lots of somethings.
I saw that, I’ve been raw doggin it ever since. Maybe one day rpm-ostree would like that have a word with me
Well uh, godspeed i guess, rofl.
It is good at least that rpm ostree has ways to view and manage such conflicts, and rollback to the bazzite image preset (keeps flatpaks and such intact, i think).
Lmao that’s how I feel about it. I want to say that rollback isn’t the easiest thing, I’ve tried to boot further down the tree at one point when discord broke (my only rpm install) and immediately got some errors regarding dependencies, so I had to remove it and reinstall it and it seemed fine after that.
I’ve honestly been thinking about rolling either Debian Ubuntu or arch, but I’m not in a place where I want to fuck with it all again currently.
Edit: I do appreciate you looking out though
they should alias
ujust repent-and-seek-absolutionto some script of thoroughly robust set of rpm ostree conflict identifiers and reset/rollback commands, lol
EDIT: why distrohop, you have distrobox, Do ThIng There, LOL
There’s just a sloppy amount of bullshit that’s stacked up since my switch from windows, clean slate is tempting. I also miss Apt, ironically enough
Ah well I gueas thats fair if you… have indeed already fucked your ostree uh, raw, i think that was the word you used.
It is kind of annoying to not have that direct control, i get that, and i too am super used to debian based distros and apt after about a decade of being in debian or derivatives.
And Linuxbrew too
What are you running Bazzite on? I’m using it on my Legion Go as my daily driver. I love it for the most part, but there’s still plenty to learn.
Not OP, but I’ve got Bazzite on my Steam Deck and Bluefin on my laptop as my daily. I’m rather loving the set it and forget it nature of it while still having plenty of room to play when I need to.
I use bazzite on my desktop.
The problem with the set it and forget it nature is that when updates stop working, it “forgets” to tell you.
If you layer any packages, you will run into this, but even without package layering, there have been a number of bugs reported recently about this.
I have auto updates and notifications on (and I switched them off and on again and verified the settings) and haven’t gotten a single update notification for months even though I can update manually successfully.
My problem is that I use my Legion Go primarily as a computer for managing servers, coding, web dev, photo and video editing, and then gaming when I get a moment.
Examples of my incredibly nitpicky problems are like wanting to boot into desktop mode, wanting a password prompt on boot/return from sleep, better vram control in desktop mode. Silly things like that.
You can absolutely disable the password from sleep. And there’s different versions of bazzite. There’s the deck versions that go straight into gaming mode and the non deck ones that go to desktop. If you have one installed it’s super easy to switch to the other just from the terminal too using the command on their download and install page.
I think Bazzite has a version that doesn’t start in game mode 🤔 Or use one of the sister versions if you don’t game often? Password on boot happens on both of mine, and coming back from sleep should be an option.
I love bazzite for handheld consoles but before I install it on my desktop there needs to be version based on ordinary ‘non-immutable’ fedora kde. That being said, immutable distros are more stable
I’ve been using it on my laptop for over 6 months now and it has been fantastic.
I mean, if you’re really hardcore, you can build your own immutable distro image using the distro you want… but that’s way above my paygrade. I don’t think it’s that difficult, just something I have no intention of learning.
Unlikely to happen. Not only is all their build tooling etc. made for immutable distros (and they have a lot of other ones besides Bazzite), but it would also mean throwing away the biggest advantages for little gain.
I switched from Bazzite to Garuda to get away from it being immutable. It’s been great.
So, Nobara?
I would have stuck with Nobara, which is the first Linux distro I really tried, but it was maintained by one person and eventually they’re going to get burned out or worse. I figured it would be better to just go with a distro that had a whole team working on it.
What’s your problem with the image based OS?
If there’s really anything you need, you can layer it or build your own image quite easily.
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