- cross-posted to:
- world@lemmy.world
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- world@lemmy.world
Summary
Vladimir Putin responded to Ukraine’s US-backed ceasefire proposal by imposing strict conditions, including a halt to Kyiv’s military aid and mobilization, while continuing Russia’s own rearmament.
His calculated stance prolongs negotiations without outright rejecting Donald Trump’s initiative, which seeks to end the war while pressuring Ukraine.
Putin also demands Ukraine’s demilitarization, exclusion from NATO, and recognition of Russian territorial claims.
Trump, with limited leverage, may shift toward aligning with Putin’s terms. Meanwhile, Ukraine fears the ceasefire could allow Russia to regroup and intensify its offensive.
Trump does not have the cards to force a peace deal, or the skills to negotiate one. Ukraine and Putin are simply too far apart to meet in the middle.
I’m convinced Trump is chasing the nobel peace prize because Obama has one and he’s still butt hurt over it.
Only a cuck would concede anything to Putin, and Trump is king cuck.
Thats completely naive. Reality doesn’t work like memes. People are dying, lives are being destroyed.
Ukraine doesn’t have much a choice because they’re losing the war.
Part of losing a war is making concessions with the victor. Sorry you’ve been so propagandized to believe that it’s impossible for Ukraine to lose.
There are concensions and then there’s functionally disarming so you can be attacked even more easily in 5 years.
What do you mean “more easily attacked”?
Ukraine losing the war means it’s no longer a sovereign state.
I’m sorry, but saying that everyone else who doesn’t agree with you is propagandized is at least lazy if not childish and trolling behavior.
Ukraine is still in it, they are holding of the invading army, which has in the last year only managed to occupy less than a percent of Ukraine and even that has largely stopped. At this rate, if Russia could keep it up, they couldn’t achieve their claimed goals for decades. And there are all the reasons to claim they won’t be able to keep it up.
There is no sense to give to Russia concessions, the Russians cannot take by force. Usually it’s the other way around.
You != Everyone else
Yeah, you’ve been propagandized hard.
No, you have been propagandized harder! 🙄
Did you also think Ukraine was going to retake Crimea?
Do you have putins picture over your need?
See, both of us can play this dumb game.
What dumb game? Where I point out how you fell for propaganda before and then you get mad and say I love putin or something?
This just further proves my point about you being propagandized.
The war is still being fought. No one has won.
Sigh.
Definitely not skills. But both sides in the war want to have a strong start to the negotiation. Ukraine might give up Crimea officially for NATO membership. Russia will do anything that will look like they won.
NATO membership is off the table.
Its the start of the negotiation, everyone will take positions, but might change them. I don’t think Nato is really an option, but they might avoid this and make individual 2 party agreements between Ukraine and Nato countries that would serve as a sort of replacement for actually admitting Ukraine to Nato.
I don’t see Russia accepting that.
Without giving Ukrainians real safety guarantees, they will never stop fighting. Russia knows that. If they don’t accept safety guarantees they are saying, they want to war more.
They will never stop fighting? Ukraine can’t win a war of attrition against Russia.
We can already see that is not the case, if the west continues to support it.
Even with the West’s support Ukraine has been losing ground. Imagine without the US support…
I disagree. Ukraine is currently getting routed and they will announce their surrender this year if the US continues to withhold support.
The thing about war is that each death makes it harder to fight back. That results in more deaths, which makes it even harder, and hopefully you get the idea if you’re not a useful idiot (sorry this last part needs to be said, but there’s a lot of useful idiots running around these days.)
A country can be losing but in an existential conflict seem to rarely outright surrender. Ukraines position, while dire, is far stronger than the talibans after the US invasion of Iraq. 20 years later, they were still fighting and ultimately prevailed.
In my mind, this Inevitably is in ukraines future if allies don’t continue to materially support Ukraine - either way the Russian occupation ultimately fails, the question is does Ukraine defend itself and remain a sovereign nation or do they fall and an insurgency later force it’s reinstatement.
The difference is Iraqi did not want to be under US occupation where large parts of Crimea and the Eastern regions do want to be independent / under Russian influence.
It is not about Trumps skills. My guess is that there might have been a deal, if Trump didn’t get in the way of his advisors by posting on social media and going off script in interviews