cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/72685299

I discovered this after upgrading our instance yesterday, which also upgraded all frontends to their latest versions as well. After I did, our Tesseract frontend stopped working and I noticed immediately as it’s been my primary for a while. Initially I thought it was an API version mismatch, but no, it was much worse.

Someone pointed out that the developer of the frontend added an explicit hidden and unmodifiably blacklist which includes any and all instances to the left of Kissinger. There’s a commit which also explains their specious reasoning about our instance specifically, as it seems we’ve been on their shit list for a bit longer than that.

This instance and its admin staff encourages identity politics, groupthink, mob mentality, and extremist solutions to societal problems. Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target. Caution and critical thinking are advised when interacting with this instance or its users.

When you use tesseract to connect to one blacklisted such instance , you just get a message informing you that Tesseract is “incompatible with that instance” which leads one to think of a technical issue, like an API mismatch, rather than the dev being an opinionated coward.

Isn’t it funny how all the software developed by turbolibs, like Piefed and Tesseract, end up with hidden control mechanisms from developers who think they know better than everyone else? That they don’t just think they deserve to tell you what you should think, but they should manipulate you to think it? Isn’t it funny how libs go on about how bad it is to support lemmy due to the ideology of the devs behind it, and yet lemmy has 0 opinions as a software? It does make one think…

Anyway, I forked - it as one does - and disabled the blacklist, but since this is a massively ideologically compromised software, I’ll doubt I’ll keep this frontend up after Lemmy 1.0. I think we’ll bring up mlmym again now that someone’s maintaining it again.

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    I noticed this post on Mastodon, wanted to open it in the threadiverse, which nowadays I usually do through Piefed.social.

    • Copied link
    • In Piefed, Search > Retrieve remote post
    • “Post not found”. Me: what? Did the author or mod delete it already???
    • Clicked on the link to try, it opened on the native instance (lemmy.world) just fine! Neither author nor mod has deleted it. I read the article.
    • After, I investigate a bit more. On Piefed.social, I am subscribed to !fediverse@lemmy.world , I can open that /c & can see posts there. But not this post. It’s missing.
    • Come to my Lemmy instance (lemmy.ca) with Alex front-end, confirm I can see the post from here. Twice even.

    So why can’t I see it on Piefed.social??? Can I not rely on Piefed.social? Censorship, or just an innocent federation issue?

    Piefed.social - "Post not found"

    Fediverse@lemmy.world viewed via Lemmy.ca/Alex frontend - post present, twice even

    Fediverse@lemmy.world viewed via Piefed.social - post missing

      • Flames5123@sh.itjust.works
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        I’m glad you’re not getting downvoted for this. When I pointed this out, people yelled, “BUT YOU CAN DISABLE ALL THIS!”

        What’s the point of defaults even being there if you can disable them?

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        Censoring leftists? No, he censors anything to the right of left more than anything. Maybe he censors the faaaar left as well, but anything “conservative”, right wing, or centrist is censored.

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                The New York Times is a left wing publication through and through, what are you talking about?

                The BBC is centrist but left leaning. Definitely not right wing.

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                  Which wars have the NYT’s been against, again? Which policy of W’s were they against again?

                  I agree with Cowbees definition, but the NYT’s isn’t left wing BY YOUR OWN DEFINITION of left wing.

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                    Wars? W’s? wtf are you talking about lol

                    What is my definition and how isn’t NYT left going by it?

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                  New York Times is precisely as left wing as liberalism. You’ve been raised to implicitly think of liberalism as the “normal amount of left”, and that is not accurate. That’s my assumption at any rate, because I was raised that way and carried around a similar misconception.

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                    It’s not a misconception. It’s the way left and right wing works.

                    If everyone but you agrees on a definition, your definition is wrong. The democrat party is not right wing. Anti-right wing media are not right wing.

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          It’s definitely funny in an ironic kind of way that Piefed began as at least partly a reaction towards the politics of the Lemmy devs, but ended up themselves doing the very thing they feared (ie: letting politics affect the code). Meanwhile Lemmy still has never suffered from this, as far as I know.

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              I’m a communist myself

              Well fuck you. May all the people who died in the concentration camps, in famines, cultural purges, or just simply shot dead at the border crossings, haunt you tonight.

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                  I won’t weap for landlords, capitalists, and fascists that were killed or imprisoned for their crimes against the working classes

                  Well, yeah. Those are among the groups you said you explicitly want to mass murder. Why would you weep for them?

                  Edit: he never said mass murder, my bad. I should have fact checked before saying anything. Come one, come all, see how fucking stupid I am. It’s alarmingly stupid, and I probably should just fuck off forever instead of being a fucking moron in public. I’m so sorry for inflicting myself on you all.

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                  they absolutely pale in comparison to the atrocities committed for capitalism and colonialism

                  Colonialism is colonialism. No matter the color.

                  I won’t weep for landlords, capitalists

                  Then weep for the workers who were denied education because they refused Leninism. Weep for those who has been sent to work in the uranium mines. Weep for those persecuted for their faith. Weep for those who has been put to a fucking jail for watching a Knight Rider on TV.

                  working classes after successfully gaining political power

                  What you call a working class has never achieved political power. Only the chosen faithful families could ever get anywhere near the office desk, not even mentioning a political function. Without pledging you allegiance to a one of the worst dictators who ever lived, you were not even considered.

                  The sheer effectiveness of socialism in uplifting the people

                  Yes. The toilet paper outages and bribes for the butcher so you can skip the line were certainly very uplifting.

                  it’s unfortunate that this can only be successfully established via revolutionary and therefore violent means

                  And here we are. You’re openly advocating for death and destruction to follow some kind of a fairy-tale. You’re no better than an american soldiers leveling a primary school to the ground, or a russian soldier executing civilians in Butcha.

                  daily brutalization of the working classes

                  Open your fucking eyes. You can no longer see the real wold for the veil of victimization you have put upon yourself. There is no class.

                  And most importantly, stop scheming about some great revolution and CREATE the means of production!

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                    Open your fucking eyes. You can no longer see the real wold for the veil of victimization you have put upon yourself. There is no class. And most importantly, stop scheming about some great revolution and CREATE the means of production!

                    It’s like Charlie Kirk has risen from the dead

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                    There is no class.

                    Well, that’s a new one on me. I’ve seen people argue that the earth is flat, but this is the first time I’ve seen somebody argue that being rich is the same as being poor. So, congrats on originality, I guess.

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                I’m no expert, but it sounds like they were killed by authoritarianism, not communism. I don’t think communism requires concentration camps, famines, or cultural purges.

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                  As established in the other thread here, state-wide communism can only be achieved by the violent means.

                  What needs to follow is for the people to willingly forget some of what they know, uninvent the market, money, and give up every possesion that’s of any significant value. That is not going to happen without violence either.

                  And to keep the society in this state, you need an aparatus that will constantly keep them in fear, or ar least apply some kind of double-think. A dictatorship is the only way to do that.

                  This is how the soviet style communism has been brought to my city:

                  Communism is inherently authoritarian.

                  And to that I say: Authoritarians of the world, gurgle my balls!

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              Could you point me to the places in the Lemmy code where these examples have been incorporated? You realise we are talking about the actual software here, right, not the way they run their instance? Exact lines of code would be ideal, as they have done above/elsewhere with Tesseract and Piefed.

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            Extremism is a matter of perspective and has no quality other than „far away from this arbitrary fix point“.

            Why don’t you call all capitalists and their liberal enablers extremists for enslaving and annihilating the world and its inhabitants?

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        My strong guess would be that the turbolib Zionist mods/admins of lemmy.world are at it again.

        lemmy.world of course being… you know, mostly ex reddit power mods, from the US.

        On an unrelated note: We all know Ghislaine Maxwell was also a reddit power mod, right?

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          Shitty Piefed dev -> lemmy.world mod -> ex-reddit power mod -> Ghislaine Maxwell

          makes about as much sense as

          “We shouldn’t have people starving in the streets or paying $35,000 to visit the emergency room” -> socialism -> USSR -> Stalin -> Holodomor

          Sure, the links are there, but what a silly series of connections to reach to in order to paint your target as the worst possible thing to confuse the impressionable.

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            Sure, the links are there

            I mean, we had Joe Biden force the sale of TikTok to a cartel of Silicon Valley fascists based on some spurious links to Chinese communism. If you can get from “Tankie TikTok Post” -> “President Xi Jinping undermined US electoral security” and enshrine that belief in federal communication policies, I don’t think “Shitty Piefed Dev” -> “Ghislaine Maxwell” is that big of a joke.

            Double, extra, plus, too, you need to keep in mind how much influence Steve Bannon had back in 2016, largely by organizing and deploying white nationalists out of 4chan and the grosser corners of Reddit. And Bannon was bosom buddies with Epstein.

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              Moot met with Epstein, and shortly after, /pol/ was created. Coincidence?

              Ghislaine Maxwell’s father was instrumental in establishing the abusive scientific publishing model we all suffer from today.

              The facts of these despicable people wanting to shape and control societal thought in surprisingly diverse and far-reaching ways - that evidence exists. Benefit of the doubt is a foolish thing to apply to these folks.

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              I honestly don’t see how those two are related but I do think it is interesting that the person I replied to insists they were joking while you insist they were not.

              Schrodinger’s Douchebag at play.

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                I honestly don’t see how those two are related

                They’re both (ostensibly) oligarchs and political insiders dictating the operation of mass media.

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            I think its pretty obvious that I’m just throwing out something that is almost certainly not related, at the end.

            I did literally say its ‘unrelated’.

            Because sometimes I’m a petty little bitch, just like you’d have to be to surreptitiously write an ideological ban list into some open source software.

            I’m just illustrating a similar level of dirty play here… if that confuses idiots, I don’t care, in fact that’s part of the point.

            Also, why am I talking to a throwaway acount right now?

            Too cowardly to say something on your real account?

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              You were obviously being sarcastic with stating it was “unrelated” and you’re obviously playing dumb, also in bad faith now.

              You’re deliberately trying to confuse the “idiots” that agree with you, not the idiots that support this ridiculous move.

              My username is a pun. You’re welcome to get bent out of shape over it if you want, but I hope people reading this realize you’re doing further bad faith tactics by tossing in this Red Herring as a cherry on top.

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                  I was curious to see if you were simply so passionate about the issue you were accidentally commenting in bad faith because you lost your cool or if that’s just something you double down on because you’re a troll.

                  Given it’s the latter, enjoy the block!

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      Piefed has a shadowban/defederation tool. Like, I can post in piefed.social communities but they don’t federate for anyone to see except for the individual user responded to. It’s a way of moderating without it showing up in modlogs.

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      Oh you didn’t know? Piefed is an extremely censored and politically biased platform lol. The main dev has made it his own little authoritarian platform. It blocks all sources that don’t align with his political beliefs and ideologies, and auto blocks/tags users that he doesn’t like because they disagree with his ideologies.

      It’s disheartening to see more and more people using Piefed.

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      I can see it on the NZ PieFed instance. Interestingly on Lemmy/Voyager I can’t see that it’s a cross post, nor the original post text UNLESS I go to reply to the post.