after the recent disgraceful behavior in YPTB where @deceptichum@quokk.au was banned by @MrKaplan@lemmy.world for being a “troll”, I banned MrKaplan preemptively from !anarchymemes@anarchist.nexus, as I do anyone who displays zionist tendencies. the ban reason was for “zionism, genocide apologia”. calling someone pointing out the FHF’s long history of zionism and protecting zionist users a “troll” and saying they are acting in “bad faith” is absolutely zionism, and zionism is genocide apologia. at the same time, I also banned @recursive_recursion@lemmy.ca for also banning @deceptichum@quokk.au, with a suspiciously similar ban message.
this aggravated @MrKaplan@lemmy.world, who then started asking around about me to find out more information. they quickly found my profile, which as anyone who has been around AN or dbzer0 might know, has always been rather spicy when it comes to the US and Israel.
“scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds”
queer armed militant anarchist. death to the United States, and death to Israel! the only good zionist is a dead zionist.
my display name at the time was also Luminous5481 “Murder all zionists” [they/them]. this wasn’t aimed at MrKaplan, but rather zionism as an ideology in general. it has long been my very vocal opinion that there is no appreciable difference between the state of Israel and Nazi Germany, nor between zionism and nazism. both nations are guilty of having engaged in genocide over the span of years, something determined by the ICC, if not the eyes and ears of anyone who has seen the shocking scenes of Israeli terrorism coming from Gaza these past years.
however, this rightfully calling for the death of a ideology that is incompatible with anarchism, and the rest of humanity in general, was enough for MrKaplan to not only instance ban me, but entirely defederate the instances under the control of the FHF cabal from Anarchist Nexus.
but that wasn’t enough. they also contacted other admins of popular instances, and encouraged them to defederate from AN and dbzer0, claiming that the other admins of the flotilla had refused to do anything about it, despite MrKaplan immediately defederating as soon as he raised his concerns with our team. this obviously is a blatant lie, likely to cover for the fact that he most likely did not bother reaching a consensus with the other LW admins over his actions before he took them. but idk about that, it’s only my speculation. I only know what he and other admins have said behind closed doors to our team.
the fact of the matter is that wishing death to zionists is a popular opinion among leftists. it’s one that I’ve held for years, and it didn’t suddenly go away when Israel accelerated their genocide in 2023. nor did it go away when the German government, and certain German instances and users threw their support behind a genocidal regime intent on wiping out a race and religion they see as subhuman. did I say it more often or more plainly than plenty of other leftists? sure! but do not assume that the opinion is not shared by many who oppose an ideology that, like the nazis, is the enemy of all mankind.
for now, I have graciously offered to step down as admin, in the hopes that the FHF will stop throwing their weight around to bully smaller instances and suppress the free speech of the people. it’s one thing to ban a user for a viewpoint you don’t like. it’s another thing to defederate from an instance, and then threaten other instances to get them to defederate as well. it’s another thing to go around telling everyone they should defederate simply because you are offended at an opinion that should be shared by all who love humanity. of course, some might say that this is entirely because I accused the “FHF team members of being zionists while simultaneously calling for zionists to be murdered”. but if that were true, then why has MrKaplan not also defederated from lemmy.ml, despite many of their users being just as vocal as I am ? there’s a big difference between AN and ML, and that difference is user count. MrKaplan feels he can get away with throwing his weight around and demanding other instances censor themselves according to his views when it’s an instance that’s smaller than LW. and I’m not asking to be unbanned. I really do not care about “missing out” on LW. but at the very least? MrKaplan should not be censoring other instances and maliciously attacking them behind their back by seeking defederation from other admins. and he certainly should not be doing it in the dark, where nobody can see or comment.
UPDATE: @rimu@piefed.social also banned me for “death threats”, something which doesn’t show up in the modlog because I’ve never used that instance for anything.
Zionism isn’t something you’re born with lmao, it’s an ideology you choose. MurderAllZionists is about as offensive as HangAllNazis.
Like mate, there are people on the land. Zionism is an ideology of ethnic cleansing based on intrinsic mythological superior claim (rhymes somewhat with some other ideology methinks).
What a kook.
MrKraplan is a “German” and apparently would be offended by HangAllNazis, calling for the death of people? Have you no sensibilities.
German churches are a bastion of reaction and zionism. It’s no wonder a german kaplan would go pretty heavy handed on the moderation of antizionism
sigh.
I dealt with MrKaplan a lot when the Jordan stuff was going on. At first, things were kinda chill and seemed polite but what Kaplan was telling me was not matching the things other people were showing me. That was one of the big reasons why I outright left Lemmy.world. The inconsistency from the administration team of lemmy.world is off the wall. They’re not on the same page internally yet they keep gaining more centralized control on lemmy. They’re, in effect, reddit and Kaplan might as well be Spez.
Kaplan had zero problem dragging their feet on Jordan for weeks. Yet this appears to have been instant for you. The defederation of an entire instance, and all users on it, was done due to the display name of a single admin. Other admins exist. Those admins were not, as I’ve been reliably informed, talked to on the matter before it happened.
So, Kaplan just used a wildly unproportional response to this. Instead of banning you (not saying you should have been) and then contacting other admins to find out what was going on, Kaplan instead instantly took the nuclear option that hasn’t even been reserved from some other admins/instances that were causing far more trouble in the past.
Were you inflammatory? Yeah. But inflammatory doesn’t translate to the defederation of an entire instance without speaking with the admins of that instance first. Then again, is anyone even remotely surprised when Kaplan repeatedly defended JordanLund on numerous occasions?
Remarkable how much bending over backwards is required to get rid of an abusive moderator on their own instance yet defederation of an entire other one due to a single user is no problem.
Kaplan is, unquestionably, the ptb here. Fuck you Kaplan. I am so sick of your shit, your lies, and your inconsistencies.
They were pretty clearly juuust fine with JordanLund’s moderation over on .world, that whole place stinks (and did long before he went off the deep end that one time).
Same exact flavor of deceit you see all over the place, hiding behind pretend ideals of keeping discussion “civil”, but really just going well out of their way to control discussion around Zionism.
It really puts in perspective how little they care about it unless it effects them. Now I really wonder if Kaplan was actually the one who kept Jordan around as the others seemed fine removing him.
And really explains their silence when pointing out the many rule breaking Jordan did when it was to help silence bad news about Israel or Biden helping the genocide
Luminous5481: “Murder all Zionists”
MrKaplan: “Calling for me and others to be murdered”
So MrKaplan is admitting to being a zionist?
Yes.
Sure seems that way!
I bet the two downvotes are from Kaplan and Jordan. LOL!
I can see who they’re from on lemvotes.org, it’s possible Kaplan and Jordan control those accounts, although I’ve seen those trolls elsewhere before.
PTB, even if they felt they had a point here by stretching belief to claim that someone’s edgy label was a dliberate threat to themselves (I mean, seriously…), defederating a whole-ass instance because of one admins, with zero-warning and zero attempts at discussion, not even with their own community is just the top of power-trippin’. For me it shows that LW admins feel they can throw their weight around because of the amount of users they have, which is precicely what many people have been warning about the de-facto centralization happening when L.W. is suggested as the “default” instance. Now the sensitivities of a single, unelected and uncontrollable admin, affect the social connections of most of the threadiverse.
Could Luminous be more “professional” as an admin? Sure (I keep telling people “murder” is the wrong word to use). Their unfiltered takes have routinely been annoying both tankies and libs which is probably not the behaviour that you want to have from an admin. But is that a defederation-worthy reason? Kaplan surely thinks so, but I’m curious to see if their 10K MAU agree that they can’t see anyone in the same place as one problematic person.
But at the end of the day, claiming that this is a credible “death threat” is patently absurd behavior and I urge people to think if they really want instant defederations without deliberation at the whims of a few power-users is the threadiverse they want to have.
For me it shows that LW admins feel they can throw their weight around because of the amount of users they have, which is precicely what many people have been warning about the de-facto centralization happening when L.W. is suggested as the “default” instance. Now the sensitivities of a single, unelected and uncontrollable admin, affect the social connections of most of the threadiverse.
Meanwhile we had a community vote what to do with Feddit.org where people got to decide on the outcome, and people said that was power abuse.
Projection from zionazis, what a shocker.
Their unfiltered takes have routinely been annoying both tankies and libs which is probably not the behaviour that you want to have from an admin.
No that’s literally exactly what I want from an admin lol 😆
well good news. I may have stepped down as an admin, but I’m still very much an active part of the community, and shall remain such! I’m still developing tools and working on creative projects with the admin team.
I wish you didn’t, but I understand why if the stress was getting to you. You’re a great member of the community and team.
it wasn’t the stress, it was just a pacifying measure for people who clearly don’t understand that there’s no real hierarchy in an anarchist group. every “admin” on AN is just someone pushed to the front of the group by everyone else because the software we’re using demands someone “be in charge”. it’s more a sacrifice for the collective than a promotion, because you have to pretend to be a “professional”. 🤣
all decisions regarding the instance at large are decided by all the members over matrix. my stepping down wouldn’t have happened if I hadn’t agreed to do it, and honestly most of the members were leaning towards the “tell MrKaplan and Rimu to go fuck each other with a barbed wire dildo” before we deescalated and calmed them down.
PTB. Turbo based
I thought discuss.online was independent from world.
the whole fediverse is ran by just the worst neolibs you can imagine 😭
Holy shit! I didn’t even know they were ran by the same team until this thread! lol
PTB so very much - if they have grievances with an single person, the consequences should also be limited to that user except for the most extreme of cases, and even then they should at least consult their own and the other sides admin team before going for the nuclear option. That they don’t defed from lemmy.ml at the same time only shows their bigotry.
It’s been a tough week for them. First an Italian magazine publishes a photo, and now they’re scrambling to respond to IOF Cleetus memes.
I expect at least a few random bannings and a weeks worth of Kamala 2024 rehash memes to balance things out.
wait what? I missed this Italian photo drama. do tell, please. 😄
L’Espresso is the magazine name. Their cover depicts an Israeli settler as he abuses a Palestinian woman.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/israeli-palestinian-italian-magazine/
And well, Cleetus from the Simpsons just fit the comparison. Saw a few threads of people running hard hasbara about it being antisemitic.
UPDATE: @rimu@piefed.social also banned me for “death threats”, something which doesn’t show up in the modlog because I’ve never used that instance for anything.
Oh, he admits he’s pro-genocide then. What a shocker.
Next he’ll include anti-palestine into the code of Piefed. If you say anything lightly critical of Israel, you’re shadow banned.
that’s fine, we’ve already forked Piefed and we’ll be applying patches to AN because we figured as soon as he got involved on the side of the fhf cabal that he might try retaliating via Piefed.
we’re gonna call our edited version Pievolution.
Make sure you remove all the censorship they scans all images uploaded too.
yeah, there’s a lot of censorship, honestly. one of the biggest things I’ve targeted is Rimu’s stupid hatred of memes. all that “low quality community” bullshit has to go. idk what sort of boomer reject hates memes, but it’s pretty fucking funny since most of the local traffic on his “flagship” instance is one guy posting to a bunch of meme comms.
honestly i get what he’s talking about on that point, a bit. these link aggregators originated with forums, for posting news and text posts that stimulate discourse. for me that is the most fun part of the fediverse and socializing with people in general.
memes these days most of them just virtue signal, and the format promotes addiction and rage-/engagement bait that just drives people apart to get impressions; think tabloids vs. broadsheet. consumption feels like empty calories. maybe it’s reactionary, but it’s something reactionary i agree with.
and i’d be willing to bet you cannot guess my age :)
ok, but you aren’t making that decision for other people, so thats fine
the only way i know piefed incorporates this is not awarding karma for posts in meme communities, which imo makes sense because karma “gates” are meant to measure how well the user contributes to discourse, especially in controversial topics
since most of the local traffic on his “flagship” instance is one guy posting to a bunch of meme comms.
Doesn’t seem too contradictory. You can both consider memes as low quality content while still having someone posting them a lot on your flagship instance.
Which is even sadder/funnier considering mwog convinced rimu to ban cowbee for being pro genocide. Unsurprising ignored how much they’re against the one happening in Palestine
MWoG keeps trying to pin anyone they don’t like as a genocide supporter, while having actual Nazis in their members groups who have to be told by goat to slow down on the dogwhistles.
Next he’ll include anti-palestine into the code of Piefed.
The Piefed.social logo was a Palestine flag a few months ago.
Ban me like one of your Zion girls
PTB.
For the record I signed up on ml because it was the developer instance. I’m not really into their political shit, I just never moved.
Removed by mod
why would I do that? I don’t give a shit that LW banned me. I just think MrKaplan is a piece of shit for bullying other instances. I would much rather the turbolibs stay on LW.
We don’t promote brigading or ban evasion. That’s not what YPTB is for.
If bans are unjust they should be disregarded. The bite they have is the fact idiots comply and show respect to those handing them out.
I’m not “complying”, I don’t want to associate with them. the only reason I hadn’t blocked the instance was I was officially an admin and needed to be able to see everyone.
the fediverse is based on freedom of association. if someone says they don’t want to associate with you via ban, block, or defederation, and you undermine that you undermine the underlying social fabric of the fediverse. i think your motivation is just but that your approach won’t win many over to your point of view
MrKaplan does not give a good reason nor is he expressing a desire to not associate. He is expressing a desire to silence others and control the narrative in favor of his Zionist agenda. To frame that as freedom of association is just as shameful as his actions and the actions of his Zionazi followers.
You’re advocating we treat fascists with the same mutual respect we treat others because they are admins or pay money for a server. We should not afford these people such social comforts. Respect needs to be earned, and promoting fascism and trying to silence its opposition is the fastest way to lose it!
If the social fabric of the fediverse aims to protect fascists we can and should challenge that!
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“Hostile admins” yet they stay federated with ML? Lmfao.
Hey what has .ml done in the last 3 months compared to .world?
Become a haven for bots, alt accounts, extreme moderation, and propaganda.
Woof, maybe they’re the same thing. 🕺
What?
You understand.
What form of “murder all [blank]” do you expect would be tolerated, anywhere with rules?
Not even “murder all Nazis” is going to fly, most places. Not when it’s clear whoever’s saying it is also talking about named living public figures.
Federation is not carte blanche to phrase your politics as “someone shoot these specific bastards.” For better or worse.
Not even “murder all Nazis” is going to fly, most places.
meanwhileongrad poster spotted
kill all nazis btw
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Meanwhile in grad user whining about how fascists are to be removed? I’m so shocked. How did all this fascism end up in my anticommunism?
Not even “murder all Nazis” is going to fly, most places. Not when it’s clear whoever’s saying it is also talking about named living public figures.
counterpoint: maybe places that make saying “murder all nazis/zionists” against the rules aren’t ran by good people.
And anyone you think aren’t good people should be fucking murdered, says guy who can’t understand why they’re excluded from websites.
says guy who can’t understand why they’re excluded from websites.
I didn’t say that. I literally said the opposite.
And anyone you think aren’t good people should be fucking murdered
yeah, I think zionists and nazis should be murdered. not sorry about that, and I didn’t apologize for that in my post either. every single fucking zionist and nazis should be hunted down to the ends of the fucking earth and executed. was there any other questions? did I stutter or was I hard to understand? I’m happy to talk about all the fun ways I would like to see nazis and zionists die, if you have the time.
Oh, so you fully understand why you’re excluded, you just felt the need to bitch about the blindingly obvious result of putting “murder all [blank]” in your goddamn username. This whole post is just advertising your violent fantasies against named politicians, the moderators of other instances, any user who half-asses a criticism, et very cetera.
Bye.
idk why you’re crashing out so bad, unless when I said “murder all zionists/nazis” you thought that was a roll call.
either way, be sure to let the door hit you on the way out.
‘The only objection to my murder fantasies is if you’re a target!’ is not a defense.
a defense would imply I think I need one. I do not. nobody here on dbzer0 or AN thinks I do either. “death to zionists/nazis” is pretty tame compared to the things we say on the combined matrix channels. in fact, saying murder all zionists was me holding myself back because I was an admin and had to maintain a good image. I haven’t even begun to let my freak flag fly.
Why do we not like Nazis/Zionists? Because they want to murder whole classes of people.
So, tell me, how does murdering a whole class of people make you better than a Nazi/Zionist?
There are better ways of achieving justice.
We don’t like Nazis/Zionists because they wanted to murder people for terrible reasons.
Wanting to murder the murderers to stop them murdering more innocent people is a noble reason.
Ahh, see this is actually the first real, reasonable response so far.
Nowhere did I say I tolerated Nazis or Zionists. Y’all are hallucinating that.
People are real quick to jump to conclusions. THAT is the reason why phrases like “death to X” or “kill all Y” tends to make more enemies than friends whenever you step outside of your little echo chamber. So don’t come whining when you get stuck with a ban.
nazis/zionists aren’t people. you see, when you deny human rights to others, you don’t get to claim them for yourself.
How does murdering a whole class of people make you better than a Nazi?
anyone murdering a nazi for being a nazi is automatically better than a nazi. killing nazis/zionists is good and right and the only way to get into whatever heaven you believe in.
There are better ways of achieving justice…
oh, you mean like a m32 rotary grenade launcher. I get what you’re saying, and I like how you think. cause fuck you and all the nazis around you, am I right?
I get that your blood is up but dehumanisation is a bit much. They’re people doing believing in, endorsing, and acting out evil deeds.
Horrible monsterous people are still people. I think it behooves us to remember that.
as much as I hate to admit it, you’re right.
So you’re saying the Nuremberg Trials were a waste of time?
mf they killed the nazis after the trials, what’s ur damn point? you want us to do it slow or something? cause I vibe with that.
What are you? Batman?
That sounds like a perfectly good reason for a ban, not defederating an instance.
Are they not the admin of that instance?
A ban from .world. No one else needs to ban OP for world’s rules.
This may surprise you, but most forums frown on calling for mass murder.
Kill all Nazis. If a fourm has a problem with that, they aren’t going to save the world from fascism.
Then they can ban them too. Defederation is for server wide problems.
Again: isn’t OP the admin of their server?
An edgy admin is not a server wide problem. World could solve their problems with their username with a ban. Users on AN weren’t systematically violating .world’s rules.
