I’m not sure you took the meaning from what I was saying. If you’re saying I’m accusing you of being capitalist from that last statement, you’re mistaken, I said you’re doing their work for them.

I apologize for not including the DM in the OP, I don’t see what information it added.

If you are for revolutions then I would like to know your response to my first paragraph here

Where have I stated that I’m against revolutions? I’m against dictatorship and oligarchy.

okay, but you realize that revolutions don’t generally happen with complete consensus, and to the former oligarch you are going to be the authoritarian tyrant demanding their stuff. How do you square that circle?

Anyways, you’ve made it clear your not an anarchist despite all your claims.

Back to the vibes based judging, I can tell it’s a comfortable reflex for you. I’m absolutely an anarchist, it’s pretty rude to tell other people what they believe, and I’m not sure you would appreciate if it happened in reverse.

I did mention that by monomaniacally going after an increasingly vague definition of ‘tankie’ you’re doing the work of fascists and capitalists for them. I still wouldn’t be comfortable assuming you’re not really an anarchist just because I disagree with your behavior, I would just say that you’re misguided.

I’m not interested in continuing a back and forth if it’s going to just be bad faith declarations, so I’ll disengage if you’re planning to continue that

Tankies have no class consciousness.

I’ve seen a lot of evil opinions from .ml users (the ones that are tankies, not all of them obv.

can you clarify what “evil opinions” mean besides something you disagree with

I read the exchange, I don’t see what really was so objectionable (pun intended), Marxists bringing up on authority is practically a meme, but say you’re actually trying to be a ‘libertarian socialist’, are you going to be identifying any attempts at socialist revolution as authoritarian until there’s one with 100% consensus ahead of time? what about the factory owners who would rather die than give up their class?

Nothing abstract about not tolerating auths.

If you’re advocating ending real life friendships over geopolitical disagreements that neither person are in a position to affect instead of building solidarity, you’re doing the work for capitalists and fascists for them. Whatever ideology you claim to have will remain relegated to online as a result.

I’m not trying to play dumb but I really haven’t come across anyone seriously saying Russia is great, but people have dumb takes and do heavy handed shit in the heat of the moment all the time so who knows. Either way my point is this isn’t like ‘the thing’ where anyone left alone in the room with a tankie for 5 minutes is going get converted into an alien bent on world domination, they’re just other humans with a different set of life experiences and trying to conflate them (or anyone ‘defending’ them) with hardened bigots/fascists is just needlessly divisive: doing their work for them, in my opinion.

Especially when it’s other trans people. We have enough issues right now with our government, how can we be putting up resistance if we’re too busy spending time cutting off segments of our own community because they’re failing geopolitics purity tests.

there are TONS of Ukranian anarchists on the front lines, and they’re there quite willingly.

They may be, but there’s plenty more people who don’t share that conviction drafted into service under martial law. Why are they obligated to sacrifice themselves? It’s been years, the mobilization is incredibly unpopular at this point.

Um. That’s a… Statement. It’s an objectively false statement, but it’s a statement.

Technically correct but more so because warfare has existed long before diplomacy/state politics. In the modern context I think it holds up though.

When it comes to Russia invading ukraine, the root cause political-diplomatic failure stems from the dissolution of the USSR without ever incorporating Russia into the security agreements. To destabilize a government to the point of collapse like that, then swoop in with the shock doctrine looting only created the conditions for someone like Putin to consolidate control. If they had continued to let Russia join NATO after the fall of the USSR and took a less adversarial approach overall there would almost certainly be considerably fewer dead people right now. It would probably be an austerity-crippled reactionary hellhole. The thing is our weapons industry needs to have constant geopolitical tension to justify its own existence. A politics centering global collaboration and reconciliation is incompatible with endless war profits.

If you think that not capitulating to a dictatorship is a failure, well, that’s a bad-faith claim.

I don’t think you understood my statement, not really sure what this line means either.

I’ll take the compliment, I do try to be level-headed.

Do you honestly not see what the folks you defend say?

I’ve actually lurked on hexbear for some time, specifically because I was getting a feel for the culture. I haven’t seen anything I would classify as ‘patriotic’ socialism. Those types get roundly mocked when they show up. There are a lot of positive opinions of the USSR, but I haven’t seen anyone seriously saying Russia in the current day is anything but a reactionary hellhole to live in. They generally will point to the dissolution of the USSR and the liberalization of the economy as part of the reason for that, and frankly I would agree with that assessment.

People arrive at class consciousness in different ways. I value people that I might not agree with 100% but know I can count on to show up or offer up resources when it matters because they actually care. Sometimes the person positioned and motivated to do the work is going to be the one showing up in an ushanka with a USSR flag. I’m not trying to sound condescending, but I’ve been around for a while and you don’t really get to be picky about who you organize with in real life. It may be uncomfortable to think about, but if there’s work to get done you’re probably going to find you value an extra set of hands more than policing abstract ideological purity for each and every person.

People who you form long term working relationships with will find common ground with you. It’s one thing for a meme comm to be doing the ‘authoritarian anti-authoritarianism’ bit, I think I can see the humor in that, but the person asking for advice on how to deal with a friend with a differing opinion is going to end up with one fewer friend if they take some of that advice seriously.

For the record I favor time-period bans myself, unless it’s a someone being a transphobe. time period are pretty common on .ml in general from what I’ve seen unless it’s addressing some repeat/escalating behavior.

neither of these were ‘soft bans’, they were open-ended, I wasn’t exactly surprised either tbh.

Maybe this comes because I prefer local political organizing, but I live in the US right now, my current government is the one I have the biggest issues with, and thus I voice them online because it’s relevant to me. The current government in Russia sucks ass, what do you want me to say? if I was living there I’d probably be getting persecuted for being trans. It actually sucks because even apart from this war it makes it almost impossible for me to visit family.

I actually have some optimism for china it’s true, but like many places there’s issues, I’m not in favor of territorial land grabs in general, no matter the US provocation. They can also be very conservative but it’s also hard for me to judge honestly from the other side of the planet and not speaking the language. I have seen enough trans people in china talking about their experience to say that it’s possible to live a life there as a trans person- it just takes having a supportive family. Unless you want to end up homeless that’s also generally the case in the US. I don’t like seeing forced labor, but the american alternative next door was two decades of occupying afghanistan. I disapprove of prisons that turn prisoners into slave labor, but if the alternative is decades of widespread counter-insurgency and indiscriminate bombings I think I’m also capable of pointing to the lesser evil.

I truly do hope you are an anarchist.

You’ll forgive me if I don’t get into specifics, I would rather not have to deal with IRL harassment. I’ve been at antiwar organizing since Iraq. It comes from an anarchist position, any war be it colonization or inter-capitalist conflict more broadly is always going to benefit capitalists first while killing countless workers in the process with nothing to show in the end but heightened exploitation and division. War should be opposed regardless of the narrative because it’s a tremendous waste of human life and resources, not to mention a distraction from addressing global issues like climate change and pandemics. War is always the hallmark of a political-diplomatic failure. I’ve worked with a lot of different people over the years, you’re never going to agree with everyone 100% because that’s just being human but you can still be friends and share common cause as long as there’s mutual respect and understanding.

most anarchists tend to be in favor of shooting the people trying to kill you and annex you into their dictatorship

I don’t have any issue with that, if people want to fight they should fight. However that’s not all that’s been happening, they have been drafting/kidnapping people to the front for some time. Ukrainians are not a monolith and there’s plenty who would rather not die defending lines on a map. I don’t think any anarchist should approve of a state under martial law pressing people into service. I understand that it’s a necessary evil in many situations, after all many anarchist revolutions have also used conscription. Don’t kid yourself that it’s ‘anti-authoritarian’ to be drafting people to your cause though.

Not to brag, but I have it on good authority that I am extremely funny. 😏

I’ve been collecting actual hard documentation

😳 are you posting from the blackout van that’s been parked up the street from me?

I support the positive changes for society that happen regardless of the government, however ultimately all of them are still going to be representing a hierarchy to be dismantled at the end of the day.

I have a long litany of criticism for all of the countries listed, but this is is not an appropriate place to get into that. Generally any nuance gets lost from the conversation as soon as some online demagogue declares that it’s either total ideological conformity or you’re a tankie.

Not to get condescending, I try to avoid being dogmatic myself, but it’s a comfortable impulse. Actual human interaction requires curiosity, tolerance and not treating broad groups of people like a monolith. Like you can discard legitimate advice because you don’t like the messengers, but in the end it’s you who is worse off for it.

Vibes based, I spoke up for Clocks who had offered earnest and positive advice for interacting with people you disagree in real life, without alienating them. If you treat all real life interpersonal interactions like an online purity test I can see why you spend so much time here worried about ‘tankies’

tbh you lot are exhibiting behavior I normally see reserved for cults.

The definition of ‘tankie’ is pretty clearly arbitrary and vibes based. I’m an anarchist, I’ve organized with anarchists for years. Sorry if I don’t pass some terminally online litmus test.

Yeah, that was clear, hence my position on arbitrary/vibes based enforcement. you followed your rules, they lend themself towards that

we figured you were out for drama.

from the rules:

Assume the best, but don’t tolerate sealioning/just asking questions/concern trolling.

🤔 don’t think I was doing any of those

It was what the OP in the original post was asking for though.

The rules are pretty loose, I did get one DM, though this bit at the end opens up a lot of room for arbitrary/vibes based enforcement:

Skip steps if necessary.

I guess ‘it was necessary’

Lemmy.blahaj.zone specifically is for trans folks.

yes I know, I’m trans.

it looks like, on cursory glance, you identify as one

I’m an anarchist, I organize with anarchists, have done so for years. This level of dogmatism as ‘anti-authoritarianism’ I have only run into in a handful of online spaces.