Sounds like it’s already a doomsday scenario in those towns. Somebody should do something about that…

They’ve made those since at least 2000, they’re common in minivans with no center console

There are budget leagues where they cap the value of the deck at like $70 or $100 or whatever, to keep it fair and fun for everybody without being pay to win.

Also if you find a good game shop with casual players, literally no one is bringing a thousand dollar deck to play with, and if someone does that then basically no one will play with that person.

A decent precon deck can cost like $50 and that’s all you need to have fun playing casually like that.

Your friend was kind of a dick for using his power deck on you for your first time.

You wouldn’t download a droid.

Boss was a republican…

There was literal trump merch in the break room

Then you’re completely ignoring the context of this conversation, because it’s what it’s been about from the start.

Good riddance.

Keep defending AI, dude, and then turning it around and making it sound like it’s about my ignorance.

You’re acting like I can’t see past my own desk? And yet you refuse to acknowledge the impact this is having on millions of working class people.

And none of those jobs have been taken by ai, […] But the entire work section isn’t suddenly gone. […] software engineers, they’re not gone are they?

Oh, so you haven’t been paying attention? That’s literally what’s happening. Huge layoffs, tech workers unable to find work in what used to be considered one of the most secure job fields, and worst of all it’s entry-level positions that are getting hit the hardest. New grads are almost entirely unable to find jobs. And this problem will only get worse as the senior positions retire and there’s no one to replace them because companies weren’t hiring new juniors.

And I’m not even a tech worker, so for you to insinuate that I’m somehow making this all about me is ridiculous. There’s something called empathy which enables humans to give a shit about problems that mostly impact other people. I know that’s so hard for you to wrap your mind around, so clearly you have to tell yourself that I’m actually being selfish by giving a shit about this. Whatever.

Software engineering for one, and most white collar jobs for another.

If industry follows the example of China’s car factories, then manufacturing jobs too.

“But what about gig work?” isn’t a very good pro-AI argument to be honest

Is that how most jobs that use AI work? Because that’s what this analogy is about

Yeah and headlines like this come out, then suddenly when I (as a man) mention having chronic pain, people will hit me with the “but studies say that women feel more pain than men!”

Yeah, well that doesn’t make my pain go away. But I suppose that’s just a non-falsifiable anecdote, so the proper academic perspective is that my subjective experience of pain is empirically unsound.

How that differs in any way from the study participants’ experience of pain is anybody’s guess, but I suppose it’s easier to get research funding if you make your study sound feminist so…

Rapid job loss + UBI doesn’t lead to anything except rich people lording over the rest of us.

Rapid job loss with no UBI leads to the same thing but worse. I’m not saying we should rely on their generosity. The government should tax the fuck out of them and find an equitable way to distribute the UBI, because ultimately those funds are just what the wealthy oligarchs extracted from society to begin with.

We have welfare to take care of the bottom rungs

We do? Where do you live, the Nordics? My country doesn’t currently take care of the bottom rungs at all…

we need to level the playing field so there isn’t much rungs about it.

And UBI would be one piece of that, I’m not saying it alone would solve everything. But if the job market shrinks because corpos automate everything and lay off the majority of their employees, then UBI will become not only necessary but also feasible in a way that it wasn’t pre-automation.

Imo, it’s more of a trap then anything else. Something to pacify the masses once it gets bad so the rich can keep their game going.

I’m not suggesting it as a standalone stopgap measure. It should certainly be one part of a more comprehensive reformation of how the economy is structured. But if they’re going to replace all the jobs with machines, then they’re going to need to guarantee everyone a livelihood or else “pacifying the masses” will be the least of our worries, unless you mean it in the more euphemistic and gruesome sense…

The post was about jobs, so we are…

You’re loading so much strawman and ad hominem into that comment that I can only assume you’re not arguing in good faith. Did you use your alts to upvote yourself? Cause I can’t imagine anyone on this sub would go for that drivel

Even though that wasn’t brought up by anyone in this chain.

This entire post is about “AI taking over jobs,” and now you want to pretend the topic isn’t about work life (i.e., under capitalism)?

Sorry this need to be explained that your view isn’t the only one

What are you even trying to insinuate? Did I ever claim that my viewpoint is the only one? No, I just said you’re wrong. I can do that without claiming some sort of monopoly on facts.

Besides, you’re the one who seems to be having trouble admitting that you’ve been mistaken. Instead of saying “Oh, that makes sense, yeah I get it now” you’re launching into this tirade of personal attacks? Not rational behavior. And yet you want to preach to me about “looking at it objectively”?

Objectively, the topic of this conversation was about whether technology saves workers time, and the fact is, it doesn’t, as can be demonstrably proven.

Nobody was talking about whether or not washing machines save you time on your chores. A person who works at an industrial laundromat facility isn’t getting a 4-hour workday with UBI just because somebody invented a more efficient machine. He’ll be doing the same amount of work, not getting paid more for the increased productivity. Only difference is his boss will get richer. Do you want to continue denying that reality?

As an analogy for AI in the workplace, which is where this conversation started, the pattern holds true. It doesn’t save the workers time. It doesn’t make them more money. They get worked just as hard for just as long, sometimes even moreso as the expected output increases. And their bosses reap the benefits of any increase in productivity.

Any attempt by you to retreat behind a motte-and-bailey by trying to subtly change the topic to basic housekeeping tasks (which again, is not the topic of this discussion), is doing nothing more than obfuscating the situation for the benefit of the owner-class. So what is your goal here?

Capitalism is already a caste system. UBI would just ensure the lowest rungs don’t starve or lack housing/healthcare/other essentials.

Not sure how you’re connecting “UBI → caste system,” so you’ll need to show your work on that one.

If we can fix our government so that it actually works for the people instead of the corporations, then I’d say we should nationalize every publicly-traded company, install price controls, use the revenue to fund UBI, civic infrastructure, and social assistance programs; and then balance the sheets so that each company barely breaks even without extracting any profits. That can all be done without violence.

Your “violent nationalization” sounds poorly thought out. How do you go from “violence → nationalization”? I don’t really see a logical progression from A to B.

And what about C, as in, what comes after that? Okay, you nationalized the companies. Now what, who controls it? The government? What happens if people keep electing corrupt officials? And what benefit will nationalization do if you’re against UBI anyway?

And that’s all without even touching on the vagueness of “any company with more than a handful of employees.” How do you define that? An LLC with 6 or more employees? That could include most mom&pop shops. So you just want to murder old people and take their livelihoods, entrust it to the state, and what, profit?

The whole point is that those technologies don’t save the workers time at all, because the time saved just gets filled up with more work. The business owners are the one who benefit from the increased productivity, not the workers.

The workers don’t get more free time as a result of the technology. In many cases, they take a pay cut because the technology makes their job “easier” or “less skilled.” So they still work 8 or more hours a day, and they still make barely enough to get by on (if they even make that much), while their boss only gets richer for their efforts.

This is the entire point that seems to be going over your head.

[Edit: “easier” and “less skilled” were in scare-quotes because they don’t represent my personal point of view, but it’s how the employers justify it. Thought that would be obvious.]

That would require that it come with UBI, which… seems doubtful at best…

All things that save time at home, not at work.

But astromech droids aren’t humanoid…

Unfortunately, in american culture, to a lot of people “having a car” means “being grown up” and “not having a car” means “not being grown up.”

It’s a childish mentality really, and indicates that that 26 year old hadn’t done any “growing up” in approximately a decade.

That one’s going on the wall