Israel murdered more children in 30 days than the supposedly genocidal Russian army has in ultrathin in 560 days.
Curb your whataboutism, will you?
Equating Israel with Jewishness is antisemitic.
I agree with that statement but in this context it’s just a lazy pseudo argument without actual relevance. Israel was founded by Jews, with the intention to create a country where Jews can be safe and the majority of it’s citizens today are Jews. There is a star of David on that flag for a reason, you know. So while it is wrong to equate Israel with Jewishness, simply because one can be a Jew anywhere and independently of Israel, it is also trivial that Israel is obviously a jewish country and because of that, a meme accusing all of it’s citizens of being child murderers, clearly plays with the old antisemitic trope that accuses Jews of murdering christian children.
Yes, Israel is a country founded by jews, for jews. That doesn’t mean they get to be an ethnostate.
That implies violence against all non-jews that currently live there. That violence has already been demonstrated against the non-jews that were already there, the Palestinians, who have been pushed to the fringes of society and into the open-air prison that is the gaza strip. The flames of antisemitism simply cannot be fought with more flames of islamophobia. All people deserve the same rights and protections regardless of race or religion. That should be what Israel stands for, not “ethnic cleansing but it’s okay this time because the historically persecuted people deserve to have their turn at creating an ethnostate”.
Like, we understand why the Nazis were bad beyond the fact that Jewish people were their main target, do we not? Because that’s how guys like Trump get into power with extreme anti-migrant rhetoric and an anti-democratic party behind them. Fascists can’t sell their ideology on anti-semitism anymore; it backfires, in the same way Lee Atwater pointed out it does for the N word; so they sell it on xenophobia or islamophobia or whichever public enemy (out-group) they can create, and then further shrink their in-group when they gain enough power and/or disenfranchise enough people to do so without much recourse.
Fascism won’t always be as obvious taking up the old flags of Nazis past; and as such it is incredibly harmful to reduce them to any single hallmark, such as the particular vendetta against Judaism that took place in WW2 (not to mention that those particular Nazis prefer there to be a Jewish ethnostate so they have somewhere to expel jews in pursuit of their own ethostates); it will take influence from and adapt to the blind spots of the culture where it spawns from.
That isn’t whataboutism, you fucking imbecilic moron.
I know that your water brained trolling is about trying to appear respectable as you justify murder, but the liquid shit vomiting from your mouth is too fragrant to cover up with definitional arguments.
From my antifascist perspective, an Apartheid state killing children is what is truly absolutely unacceptable. If diverse sectors of that society are not OK with war, Apartheid and murdering civilians, it’s on them to mobilize to stop that, not on the rest of the world to refrain from criticism just because the human rights violations their state actually commits are similar to delusional bigoted tropes about their religion. Also, criticizing the actions of a State, even a religious one, is not hate speech.
From my antifascist perspective, an Apartheid state killing children is what is truly absolutely unacceptable.
That´s an obvious attempt to derail from topic and a weird thing to compare a meme with but I fully agree with the statement itself.
If diverse sectors of that society are not OK with war, Apartheid and murdering civilians, it’s on them to mobilize to stop that
What are you organizing to stop the crimes of your government? Would you like to be held responsible for the crimes of your government and it´s military, even if you did not vote for them?
not on the rest of the world to refrain from criticism just because the human rights violations their state actually commits are similar to delusional bigoted tropes about their religion.
Of course not but that criticism should be smart and differentiated. If it´s too generalizing, like this one, it can easily come across as antisemitic.
Also, criticizing the actions of a State, even a religious one, is not hate speech.
Maybe there is a misunderstanding? I assumed the national flag represents not just the state of a nation but also all of it´s citizens?
Piles and piles of children with photographic evidence and multiple parties saying it happened: blood libel
40 babies being beheaded according to hearsay from 1 IOF soldier with no one able to verify the existence of the alleged video: totally real and not blood libel; we must exterminate these savages!
This seems like a derailing attempt but you are touching a point that I strongly feel about. How the western governments and media are spinning a narrative of good Israel vs evil Palestinians is sickening me every day. It´s obviously just war time propaganda and not journalism. The western politicians constant repetitions of unlimited solidarity with Israel, while at the same time nobody even mentions solidarity with Palestinians is a huge shame for the west and unmasks all claims of moral superiority. This gets even more ridiculous when you compare the body counts of both sides and see that the losses of the Palestinians are always so much higher. Also, Gaza population is super dense so imo every bomb dropped there by IDF equals a war crime. I could go on like this much longer but I think you can get I don´t have a one dimensional view on the conflict.
Nothing of that justifies posting antisemitic memes that call all citizens of Israel child murderers though. Let´s criticize the ones responsible instead, the right-extremist government that is full of racists, their military which bombs civilians and the ultra-nationalist settler movement.
Dying on the hill that ANY criticism of the actions taken by Israel: The State is inherently anti-semitic full stop is an intentionally false argument used to excuse the actions of said state - usually by other fascists who wish to emulate their tiered citizenship/civil rights system for Palestinians where they live for whichever group they don’t like.
Dying on the hill that ANY criticism of the actions taken by Israel: The State is inherently anti-semitic
I never did that, in fact I always get in a fight with people who do that.However, the flag represents all citizens of Israel, not just the government. Learn to think more differentiated …
What I’m selling is that calling all citizens of Israel child murderers is antisemitic propaganda. Everything else is just nonsense you hysterically triggered people made up.
Israel is murdering Palestinians, women and children too.
“that’s antisemitic propaganda”
so the truth is what? what are the israelis shooting at? cuz hamas cant be everyone and everything. children are dying and here you and i are jerking each other off on the internet about moral compasses. cool cool.
Zionism originated from Christianity, has nothing to do with Judaism
Really? I was under the impression that Herzl was jewish, not christian but correct me if I am wrong.
A lot of Judaism is flat out incompatible with Zionism
But I know that Jews are not allowed to kill and steal (occupation is theft of land) by their own rules, the ultra-orthodox are particularly vocal about it.
The Nazis were huge supporters of Zionism
Sure but obviously for all the wrong reasons
Palestinians are semites too
Obviously, this is getting boring, tell me something I don know yawns
You are falling for fascist propaganda.
I am explicitly not taking sides in the conflict. I have solidarity for the civilian victims on both sides and criticize the atrocities commited by the IDF just as the atrocities commited by Hamas. Now I am curious, please elaborate how that equals falling for any propaganda.
I get that you guys only accept people you join your hate fueled, one dimensional circle jerk. It’s OK I wont bother you totalitarians any more. Enjoy your bubble!
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Israel murdered more children in 30 days than the supposedly genocidal Russian army has in Ukraine,a much larger population base, in 560 days.
Equating Israel with Judaism is antisemitic.
Curb your whataboutism, will you?
I agree with that statement but in this context it’s just a lazy pseudo argument without actual relevance. Israel was founded by Jews, with the intention to create a country where Jews can be safe and the majority of it’s citizens today are Jews. There is a star of David on that flag for a reason, you know. So while it is wrong to equate Israel with Jewishness, simply because one can be a Jew anywhere and independently of Israel, it is also trivial that Israel is obviously a jewish country and because of that, a meme accusing all of it’s citizens of being child murderers, clearly plays with the old antisemitic trope that accuses Jews of murdering christian children.
Yes, Israel is a country founded by jews, for jews. That doesn’t mean they get to be an ethnostate.
That implies violence against all non-jews that currently live there. That violence has already been demonstrated against the non-jews that were already there, the Palestinians, who have been pushed to the fringes of society and into the open-air prison that is the gaza strip. The flames of antisemitism simply cannot be fought with more flames of islamophobia. All people deserve the same rights and protections regardless of race or religion. That should be what Israel stands for, not “ethnic cleansing but it’s okay this time because the historically persecuted people deserve to have their turn at creating an ethnostate”.
Like, we understand why the Nazis were bad beyond the fact that Jewish people were their main target, do we not? Because that’s how guys like Trump get into power with extreme anti-migrant rhetoric and an anti-democratic party behind them. Fascists can’t sell their ideology on anti-semitism anymore; it backfires, in the same way Lee Atwater pointed out it does for the N word; so they sell it on xenophobia or islamophobia or whichever public enemy (out-group) they can create, and then further shrink their in-group when they gain enough power and/or disenfranchise enough people to do so without much recourse.
Fascism won’t always be as obvious taking up the old flags of Nazis past; and as such it is incredibly harmful to reduce them to any single hallmark, such as the particular vendetta against Judaism that took place in WW2 (not to mention that those particular Nazis prefer there to be a Jewish ethnostate so they have somewhere to expel jews in pursuit of their own ethostates); it will take influence from and adapt to the blind spots of the culture where it spawns from.
That isn’t whataboutism, you fucking imbecilic moron.
I know that your water brained trolling is about trying to appear respectable as you justify murder, but the liquid shit vomiting from your mouth is too fragrant to cover up with definitional arguments.
You just don’t have a response.
Conflating Israel’s actions with Judaism as a whole is extremely antisemitic in its own right.
Israel’s regime does casually murder children on a regular basis, it is not antisemitic to say that.
If you’re suggesting ignoring the fact, just because “Neo-nazis might like it”, I can’t stand with you.
I fully agree with your statement. However, calling out antisemitic propaganda aimed at Israel does not equal doing that imo.
I fully agree with that one too and would be fine with the meme if it would have an IDF flag or a Bibi face instead of the Israel flag.
I am not exactly sure what you mean, please elaborate.
From my antifascist perspective, an Apartheid state killing children is what is truly absolutely unacceptable. If diverse sectors of that society are not OK with war, Apartheid and murdering civilians, it’s on them to mobilize to stop that, not on the rest of the world to refrain from criticism just because the human rights violations their state actually commits are similar to delusional bigoted tropes about their religion. Also, criticizing the actions of a State, even a religious one, is not hate speech.
That´s an obvious attempt to derail from topic and a weird thing to compare a meme with but I fully agree with the statement itself.
What are you organizing to stop the crimes of your government? Would you like to be held responsible for the crimes of your government and it´s military, even if you did not vote for them?
Of course not but that criticism should be smart and differentiated. If it´s too generalizing, like this one, it can easily come across as antisemitic.
Maybe there is a misunderstanding? I assumed the national flag represents not just the state of a nation but also all of it´s citizens?
Piles and piles of children with photographic evidence and multiple parties saying it happened: blood libel
40 babies being beheaded according to hearsay from 1 IOF soldier with no one able to verify the existence of the alleged video: totally real and not blood libel; we must exterminate these savages!
This seems like a derailing attempt but you are touching a point that I strongly feel about. How the western governments and media are spinning a narrative of good Israel vs evil Palestinians is sickening me every day. It´s obviously just war time propaganda and not journalism. The western politicians constant repetitions of unlimited solidarity with Israel, while at the same time nobody even mentions solidarity with Palestinians is a huge shame for the west and unmasks all claims of moral superiority. This gets even more ridiculous when you compare the body counts of both sides and see that the losses of the Palestinians are always so much higher. Also, Gaza population is super dense so imo every bomb dropped there by IDF equals a war crime. I could go on like this much longer but I think you can get I don´t have a one dimensional view on the conflict.
Nothing of that justifies posting antisemitic memes that call all citizens of Israel child murderers though. Let´s criticize the ones responsible instead, the right-extremist government that is full of racists, their military which bombs civilians and the ultra-nationalist settler movement.
Not only is solidarity with Palestinian frowned upon, the US’ only Palestinian lawmaker was censured and publicly shamed for advocating for Palestine.
Luckily, the US is the only country not calling it genocide or war crimes.
Unluckily, really solidifies that we’re gonna be the baddies in WW3.
Dying on the hill that ANY criticism of the actions taken by Israel: The State is inherently anti-semitic full stop is an intentionally false argument used to excuse the actions of said state - usually by other fascists who wish to emulate their tiered citizenship/civil rights system for Palestinians where they live for whichever group they don’t like.
I never did that, in fact I always get in a fight with people who do that.However, the flag represents all citizens of Israel, not just the government. Learn to think more differentiated …
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What I’m selling is that calling all citizens of Israel child murderers is antisemitic propaganda. Everything else is just nonsense you hysterically triggered people made up.
there it is.
Israel is murdering Palestinians, women and children too.
“that’s antisemitic propaganda”
so the truth is what? what are the israelis shooting at? cuz hamas cant be everyone and everything. children are dying and here you and i are jerking each other off on the internet about moral compasses. cool cool.
“We HAVE to wipe out every refugee camp because every single Palestinian keeps a Hamas commander in their back pocket at all times”
-Israel, completely unironically.
It’s exactly what you’re doing. I explicitly said “Israel: The State” and you’re STILL arguing that I’m being antisemitic.
GTFOH with that shit and go defend genocide somewhere else ya dingus.
Conflating Judaism and Zionism is antisemitism.
Zionism originated from Christianity, has nothing to do with Judaism
A lot of Judaism is flat out incompatible with Zionism
The Nazis were huge supporters of Zionism
Palestinians are semites too
You are falling for fascist propaganda.
Of course it is and I would never said otherwise.
Really? I was under the impression that Herzl was jewish, not christian but correct me if I am wrong.
But I know that Jews are not allowed to kill and steal (occupation is theft of land) by their own rules, the ultra-orthodox are particularly vocal about it.
Sure but obviously for all the wrong reasons
Obviously, this is getting boring, tell me something I don know yawns
I am explicitly not taking sides in the conflict. I have solidarity for the civilian victims on both sides and criticize the atrocities commited by the IDF just as the atrocities commited by Hamas. Now I am curious, please elaborate how that equals falling for any propaganda.
Aha got it. Into the woodchipper you go.
That does not answer the question, out of arguments so soon?
shut up when people these days cry boohoo antisemitism about Israel’s actions i give no fucks
Chapeau! Thank you for this eloquent contribution, which has enriched the discussion immensely!
Nothing you’ve said has been more worthwhile than a fart in an elevator.
Maturity is wasted on contrarian sea lions, and they don’t even deserve the attempt.
I get that you guys only accept people you join your hate fueled, one dimensional circle jerk. It’s OK I wont bother you totalitarians any more. Enjoy your bubble!
All spaces are better off without bad faith sea lions.
Especially the incompetent hasbara type.
Seriously, I hope you get paid less than minimum wage, because you weren’t worth even that.