lol…yes, that is why enshitification is a word. Why a car manufacturer adding buttons back to their next model again made headlines. Also, try Chipotle today vs Chipotle 10 years ago, 20 years ago. sorry, but calling bullshit on this one.
That’s not really a fair rubric. If they add unnecessary stuff it’s bloat, if they don’t it’s cynical cost cutting.
If you were buying your own Chipotle 20 years ago I assume you know what I mean about old cars with manual everything and maybe a radio. The economy cars of the 20th century aren’t even around for me to experience anymore, because they literally fell apart!
I’m still driving mine and would be very reluctant to swap it for a modern enshittified car. I sometimes think of homebrewing my next car (DIY EV conversion of an older ICE car) rather than put up with any manufacturer’s offerings. Who knows.
All I said is that they build what people will buy. Sometimes, people are short-sighted about what they buy. And maybe more importantly, landfilling is totally free in most cities, and externalities are not something markets handle well. That’s also why we’re making one-use containers out of our most permanent materials.
People absolutely did that stuff way back when, too. Incandescent lightbulbs are a debated but famous example.
Yeah, exactly. The early ones lasted a really long time. The debate is about how necessary making them shorter lived was exactly. It definitely happened though, and definitely did so before any of us were born.
There’s probably an even older example, but commercial history before 1850 is pretty niche.
Bob Robertson explains my point better than I feel like typing at this time lol. He’s spot on. Also, I worked as a project manager for the product owners that make these types of decisions. Everything I relayed was from experience. Edit: I will add, look at people like musk that proudly proclaim “i do no market research” and then look at the cybertruck.
Eh, it was a bit too detailed honestly. I doubt that was deliberate, though, and I did respond in full.
Musk is an outlier. He also bought Twitter and basically put it through a woodchipper, including getting rid of the very well-recognised brand and executing a domain transition that left it semi-broken for months. Most CEOs and most boards have some semblance of sanity.
lol…yes, that is why enshitification is a word. Why a car manufacturer adding buttons back to their next model again made headlines. Also, try Chipotle today vs Chipotle 10 years ago, 20 years ago. sorry, but calling bullshit on this one.
That’s not really a fair rubric. If they add unnecessary stuff it’s bloat, if they don’t it’s cynical cost cutting.
If you were buying your own Chipotle 20 years ago I assume you know what I mean about old cars with manual everything and maybe a radio. The economy cars of the 20th century aren’t even around for me to experience anymore, because they literally fell apart!
I’m still driving mine and would be very reluctant to swap it for a modern enshittified car. I sometimes think of homebrewing my next car (DIY EV conversion of an older ICE car) rather than put up with any manufacturer’s offerings. Who knows.
Good for you. What model?
I’d love it if I ever got the opportunity to experience one. It was kind of a significant thing for a while.
So, how about planned obsolescence then?
What about it?
All I said is that they build what people will buy. Sometimes, people are short-sighted about what they buy. And maybe more importantly, landfilling is totally free in most cities, and externalities are not something markets handle well. That’s also why we’re making one-use containers out of our most permanent materials.
People absolutely did that stuff way back when, too. Incandescent lightbulbs are a debated but famous example.
They had to literally turn off Edison’s incandescent bulb. That was before planned obsolescence (see Vance Packard’s The Waste Makers) https://www.remodelormove.com/is-the-original-edison-bulb-still-working/
Yeah, exactly. The early ones lasted a really long time. The debate is about how necessary making them shorter lived was exactly. It definitely happened though, and definitely did so before any of us were born.
There’s probably an even older example, but commercial history before 1850 is pretty niche.
Bob Robertson explains my point better than I feel like typing at this time lol. He’s spot on. Also, I worked as a project manager for the product owners that make these types of decisions. Everything I relayed was from experience. Edit: I will add, look at people like musk that proudly proclaim “i do no market research” and then look at the cybertruck.
Eh, it was a bit too detailed honestly. I doubt that was deliberate, though, and I did respond in full.
Musk is an outlier. He also bought Twitter and basically put it through a woodchipper, including getting rid of the very well-recognised brand and executing a domain transition that left it semi-broken for months. Most CEOs and most boards have some semblance of sanity.