I hate to extrapolate data as an idiotic internetter but being born in the US and being illiterate could also be because we have so many immigrants that aren’t set up for success right away and aren’t as concerned with education as they are with meeting their most basic needs.
Could first/second generation immigrants born in the US be more likely to be illiterate? Is the American education system simply bad at teaching kids to read? No idea.
I just have a compulsive personal issue with people using data like they are justified to say they know what causes the statistic they quote. I realize social media is more of a way for people to get a little dopamine instead of trying to understand the world but I’m okay getting downvoted to add context lol.
Were you adding context though? Does it justify the situation if a percentage of people are migrants (who often are fluent in a language above the given literacy btw.)?
For real literacy skills in the US are a huge problem, it is a systemic problem of which the burden is heavily placed on individuals that are marginalized. Neolibs might quote:
It is estimated that these negative social and economic outcomes cost the United States $362.49 billion annually.
So first of all, thank you for the civil discussion because that is the biggest lacking quality of scored comment sections like this site. It seems like discussion always brings details that are helpful when we are condemning an entire country with little information provided. This is why I like discussion and not militant downvoting and personal attacks.
I truly have no narrative here but I just searched for immigrant literacy and the first thing I found:
“41 percent of immigrants score at or below the lowest level of English literacy — a level variously described as “below basic” or “functional illiteracy”.”
Even if you excluded them (which seems like a very approach) these people are only illiterate because they’re from brown countries", you still have an education system where 13.9% of people are coming out illiterate.
I’m all for american self-depreciation
I am not american
because we have so many immigrants
Nice of you to edit in the part that confirms you’re not just a nationalist, but a racist too.
Lol damn you don’t have to call me racist. I’m not, and just saw someone using a pretty general statistic to imply American education is terrible or something. I’m just someone who sees appropriation of incomplete information to create a half baked idea that makes people feel like they understand something complex when in reality we are all probably wrong in this thread. Such is the internet though.
And I was talking about my own opportunity to self depreciate, and wasn’t assuming anyone elses nationality.
Yes I did edit my comment lol. We do have a lot of immigrants that may come from poorer countries in search of a better life. Whats wrong with that? How do you know I’m not specifically proud of that for my country? You are the one implying Americans are less-than because of some statistic.
When you are so militant with discussions, how will you ever come to an understanding? Why be so mean?
If I thought it was failing of character to be illiterate then you could maybe say I was blaming immigrants. I think it’s a lot harder to uproot your life and risk it all to bring your family where the grass is greener than it is to learn your ABC’s.
Why do you assume immigrants are brown? Because you are probably right. That’s okay.
It’s okay to have a lower literacy rate if our country is helping people have better lives. It’s okay that discussions of immigration and nationality sometimes involve ethnicities. It just makes sense that those qualities are discussed and related.
It’s also okay if american school systems need to improve. I promise everything will be okay.
I’m all for american self-depreciation but:
“34% of adults who lack proficiency in literacy were born outside the US.”
https://www.thinkimpact.com/literacy-statistics/
I hate to extrapolate data as an idiotic internetter but being born in the US and being illiterate could also be because we have so many immigrants that aren’t set up for success right away and aren’t as concerned with education as they are with meeting their most basic needs.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/immigration-by-country
So? Takes like six months to teach an adult to read, that’s not an excuse.
Which illustrates her point well. 2/3 were born inside the US then.
Could first/second generation immigrants born in the US be more likely to be illiterate? Is the American education system simply bad at teaching kids to read? No idea.
I just have a compulsive personal issue with people using data like they are justified to say they know what causes the statistic they quote. I realize social media is more of a way for people to get a little dopamine instead of trying to understand the world but I’m okay getting downvoted to add context lol.
Were you adding context though? Does it justify the situation if a percentage of people are migrants (who often are fluent in a language above the given literacy btw.)?
For real literacy skills in the US are a huge problem, it is a systemic problem of which the burden is heavily placed on individuals that are marginalized. Neolibs might quote:
I say watch the whole Parenti lecture if you can: https://twitter.com/a_lutacontinua/status/936363027502391298?lang=de
“Yellow” Parenti lecture
Parenti’s questions:
Edit The fascists mentioned for example were the right wing Nicaraguan death squads, you can find more about them in the Jakarta method
So first of all, thank you for the civil discussion because that is the biggest lacking quality of scored comment sections like this site. It seems like discussion always brings details that are helpful when we are condemning an entire country with little information provided. This is why I like discussion and not militant downvoting and personal attacks.
I truly have no narrative here but I just searched for immigrant literacy and the first thing I found:
“41 percent of immigrants score at or below the lowest level of English literacy — a level variously described as “below basic” or “functional illiteracy”.”
https://cis.org/Immigrant-Literacy-Self-Assessment-vs-Reality
Thank you for the info and sources. I do have time to watch the lecture, and will.
Even if you excluded them (which seems like a very
approach) these people are only illiterate because they’re from brown countries", you still have an education system where 13.9% of people are coming out illiterate.
I am not american
Nice of you to edit in the part that confirms you’re not just a nationalist, but a racist too.
Lol damn you don’t have to call me racist. I’m not, and just saw someone using a pretty general statistic to imply American education is terrible or something. I’m just someone who sees appropriation of incomplete information to create a half baked idea that makes people feel like they understand something complex when in reality we are all probably wrong in this thread. Such is the internet though.
And I was talking about my own opportunity to self depreciate, and wasn’t assuming anyone elses nationality.
Yes I did edit my comment lol. We do have a lot of immigrants that may come from poorer countries in search of a better life. Whats wrong with that? How do you know I’m not specifically proud of that for my country? You are the one implying Americans are less-than because of some statistic.
When you are so militant with discussions, how will you ever come to an understanding? Why be so mean?
“Calling me racist for blaming immigrants is so meaaaaaaan!!!”
If I didn’t want to be called racist, I would simply not say something racist.
If I thought it was failing of character to be illiterate then you could maybe say I was blaming immigrants. I think it’s a lot harder to uproot your life and risk it all to bring your family where the grass is greener than it is to learn your ABC’s.
Why do you assume immigrants are brown? Because you are probably right. That’s okay.
It’s okay to have a lower literacy rate if our country is helping people have better lives. It’s okay that discussions of immigration and nationality sometimes involve ethnicities. It just makes sense that those qualities are discussed and related.
It’s also okay if american school systems need to improve. I promise everything will be okay.
Can you stop filling my inbox with nationalist bullshit? Christ, I couldn’t read past the first line. Grass is greener my ass.
Hope you find the help you need. Let me know if you want to talk.