The US says both the PLO and the Palestinian Administration continue to support "terrorism".
  • WatDabney@sopuli.xyz
    18·
    1 month ago

    Victim-blaming as national policy.

    At this point, I’m not even the tiniest bit surprised.

    The one reassuring thing in all of this is that it’s near certain that the era in which history can be manipulated is likely over - that the advent of the internet and the proliferation of information makes it so that once the principals are out of power or dead, history is going to narrow in on the actual truth.

    And the actual truth about Israel and Palestine, and the US’s involvement, is very, very ugly, and I suspect that no matter how much success the psychopaths and liars have diverting from that fact currently, it’s going to come out eventually, and rightly take its place as a terribly shameful part of history.

    It’ll of course be too late for the mass-murderers and their enablers and co-conspirators to face the consequences they so richly deserve, but it’s something.

  • Zachariah@lemmy.world
    61·
    1 month ago

    just think how much worse this would have been if we elected Genocide Joe Harris

    thankfully the both-sides voters warned me

    • WoodScientist@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      10·
      1 month ago

      The best predictor we have of how Harris’s government would behave is Harris’s own words and the actions of the labor government in the UK. Both of them are indistinguishable from Trump’s current policies. Remember, it was the Biden administration that started the ethnic cleansing plan.

      But something tells me you’ll respond how Democrats usually respond. Literally sticking your fingers in your ears.

      • Zachariah@lemmy.world
        31·
        1 month ago

        Would Harris’s administration be just as deaf to pressure from protests as the Donald administration has been?

        • WoodScientist@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          8·
          1 month ago

          Again, in making such decisions, all we can judge by is the evidence in front of our eyes. I observe:

          1. Liberal parties currently in power in Anglo countries are offering no meaningful resistance to Israel. None have stopped weapons shipments.

          2. There is broad refusal among the Democratic centrists, who Kamala is a firm member, to endorse Mamdani, primarily due to his stance on Israel.

          3. A continuation among Democratic party leaders to hold the line on Israel. Congressional Democrats haven’t used what limited leverage they do have to slow the flow of weapons to Israel at all.

          4. A complete silence on Kamala since the election on the Israel issue. She’s still a very influential voice in the party, and she still has political aspirations. She now doesn’t even have the Biden admin keeping her on a short leash.

          I am a scientist. I try to make judgments based on what I can directly observe. The default stance of centrist Democrats and of every liberal government in the Anglosphere has been continued unconditional support of Israel, even to today. And since Kamala hasn’t stated anything to the contrary, the median observable behavior of politicians like herself is the best predictor we have of how she would have behaved as president. If you take a dispassionate evidence-based view of the issue, it’s pretty clear that there would be no difference in the Gaza outcome between Kamala and Trump. Their policies are both 100% full support of the Israeli regime. Trump is just a lot more crass and cruel about it. Kamala virtue signals, Trump vice signals. But in terms of actual policy outcomes, their Israel policies are identical.

  • flambonkscious@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    3·
    1 month ago

    What if we made a different two state solution by returning Palestine to its people and moving Israel to the US? (where they’re clearly loved and wanted)