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  • Would you like me to analyze your ethical decisions and judge you publicly? I am certain we can find some unethical behaviors that you partake in every day that hurt the environment and the people around you.

    I know there is and it is perfectly valid to judge me for those things, just like I am judging others for their hurtful choices. Im not saying all smokers are bad people per se, like I said I know a lot of them and thats a part of them I dont like just like there are parts of me they dont like.

    It’s just a really weird thing to pick out and have a moral battle with. It’s a personal choice. It’s an addiction. There’s plenty of bad people out there.

    That is some major whataboutism and Im pretty sure you know that.

    The cigarette smokers are not trying to hurt you intentionally.

    I know but that doesnt really make it better. People driving huge trucks everywhere dont do it just to pollute the environment or hit kids, but its still horrible on a greater scale.


  • It is voluntary. Being a creep is a learned behavior and can be unlearned. I’ll admit it’s systemic but it’s our(M/Society) responsibility to change that.

    Definitely

    The sentence part after “but” is in direct conflict with thee first.

    I dont think it is. You can avoid being shot on the street by not leaving your house. The blame lies with the shooter but you could avoid it if that was your goal.

    This should have been a separate paragraph, it’s a different idea even if in context. This still let’s predators off the hook by assuming their motivations and behavior are “natural” or “innate” in a way that can’t change.

    Thats not what Im saying at all and I dont think my comment made it sound like that. Im 100% convinced that predators are at fault and should be the ones being punished. Maybe my comment was unclear, Im not a native speaker.

    The one thing humans do well is learn. It’s one of our few evolutionary advantages. The “limits of your freedom” don’t have to include predatory behavior if you don’t identify it as part to your autonomy or self.

    Not sure what you mean exactly but I wasnt talking about predators’ freedom.


  • I understand your point, but Id say empathy is not tied to a person but more to a topic or situation. So while the two sets of people might intersect, (my) empathy for them originates from the topic theyre associated with. I would say I have empathy for people struggling and at the same time, I dont have empathy for people giving others cancer. Some of them might be the same people and I have empathy for part of them and not for another. I dont know if Im wording it well and maybe Im just misusing the term.

    Also, I specifically worded it like that to not include all smokers, because like I said many are struggling with their addiction, but its not a majority from my experience. And yes, the tobacco industry is to blame for normalising smoking over the decades, but educating yourself, especially when it comes to drug use, is everyones responsibility.

    Like I said I know a lot of smokers and many of them just dont give a fuck about how it affects others, but Im not saying that makes them bad people period. Its a part of them I dont like and there are other parts that I like. Just like I do lots of stuff that others probably dont like about me.

    I might need to reread my comment because it probably sounded like I hated the people themselves for one of their habits, which is not what I was trying to say but I have pretty strong feelings when it comes to smoking.


  • I’m not trying to guilt trip anyone. The self righteous superior people clearly dgaf what I think and the feeling is mutual.

    There you go again with the fucking victim role and guilt tripping. Dont even need to read the rest of your bullshit. Maybe think about if your attitude plays a role in your miserable life.

    Edit: I still ended up reading the rest and your way of twisting words and literally cutting my quotes to twist their meaning is truly disgusting. Any shred of sympathy I had for you with your original comment is gone. Im glad you probably dont bother many people in real life, assuming anything you wrote is true which doesnt even seem likely anymore.

    Also read up on second hand smoke, because you obviously havent heard of it.



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    the amount of self righteousness and lack of empathy from some non smokers really makes me glad that I will never have to hang out with those types of people.

    Youre seriously trying to guilt trip non-smokers here? Sure, addiction is horrible and some people are really struggling, but the majority of smokers I know dont give a shit that theyre actively killing others by blowing smoke into their faces on the street. Its ignorant and toxic behavior which is tolerated because of decades of brainwashing by the industry.

    I have very little empathy for people who choose hurting others for their own convenience. Maybe start with empathy for poor people that struggle surviving because they are being exploited, or people that are systemically suppressed, then move on to empathy for smokers and other criminals.

    I hope you get better, but your struggles dont excuse the millions of smokers actively harming their environments without a care in the world.


  • Your example is pretty bad because it undermines their point. Womens choice of clothing doesnt excuse predators, but it still puts many in a tough situation by tempting them (not voluntarily but for them its a temptation). Which is in no way saying the women are at fault but unwanted outcomes can be avoided by their chioce. So you could live your life making sure others arent influenced in a negative way by your behavior or you could go to the limits of yoir freedom disregarding any consequences for others as long as youre on the legal side. The answer should be somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, but who can say where exactly. (I mean many do pretend they know, but its obviously subjective)