What does this have to do with enforcing IP law supposedly being corruption? Greece does something messed up but aligned with the EU overlords = let’s bring out the irrelevant corruption stereotype anyway.

Otherwise yeah I’m familiar with the neoliberal domestic Greek narrative and how public servants were this massive financial black hole therefore the exact same measures as Elon Musk’s DOGE were necessary. Very popular measures, in fact you mentioned crumbling infrastructure but that’s also when the public railroads were sold because public owned infrastructure bad, foreign investments good. Aren’t you talking about the train disaster? Similar derailments happened after Thatcher sold off the Brit railways in the 80s. But that’s not an example of neoliberalism wrecking something, it’s some vague theory of Greeks being corrupt imperial subjects under the Ottoman Empire (how does that work) and therefore corporations aren’t to blame? What?

Of course it’s capitalism and not some unique Greek defect, countries with issues don’t have issues because somehow they’re not good enough for capitalism. Are all the other former Ottoman provinces doing great? Morocco, Libya, Egypt, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Cyprus? What’s the common factor there, cronyism? Or all becoming western colonies and protectorates?

We can check what happened to all these areas after WWII including Greece and how Greece is so special. Special enough to be invaded by the Brits after the liberation, getting into a bloody civil war that included the Americans dropping napalm on the Greek rebels because Churchill couldn’t accept Greece possibly becoming socialist, governments full of nazi collaborators and far righters with full western support, the ancestors of the current ruling party distributimg the Marshal Plan money among the western collaborators while people starved, exiling hundreds of thousands in the eastern bloc, concentration camps for communists until 1975 again with full western tolerance. Then lots of loans by the 1980s lukewarm socialist governments because the right wingers couldn’t tax the shipping magnates and other capitalist parasites for decades and there was no money for any socialized infrastructure.

Of course the usual Greek narratives only start in the 80s because that’s the right wing view that primarily runs things there.

But nah it’s not western imperialism and capitalism that has any effects exactly like the entire region because Greeks are specially corrupt. Can’t criticize the overlords, gotta blame the people.

You really wrote that without an ounce of understanding what “corruption” means. Not enforcing EU directives would be called corruption by the EU goons, member states are fined when they disobey and its primarily the RIAA based in the US that makes all the fuss about DRM and IP so who are you wagging the finger to? It’s American financial interests being enforced but a country is supposedly corrupt for not trying to be some kind of IP law rogue? Inside the EU? The current Greek government is rabidly pro-west, pro-EU and pro-NATO so if being the most obedient to the overlords is corrupt then what is the uncorrupt alternative here exactly?

There isn’t one. It’s just the usual yuropian chauvinist garbage about every other place that isn’t western Europe being inherently inferior. All of southern Europe is “corrupt” instead of “the EU is basically the German Union” just like “Africans are having too many kids” instead of “neo-colonialism is real”.

Oh you mean capitalist inequality magnified by enforced EU neoliberal policies? Damn, if only some people wouldn’t be “corrupt” then capitalism in the periphery would work like clockwork. Totally the fault of some people not doing it right, nothing at all to do with enforced austerity. ND enforcing IP laws along with everything else that the EU commands is corruption yes.

The weird thing here is the implication of data collection for a decade, which I really don’t think is covered by any law.

What’s corrupt about slavishly enforcing IP law for RIAA and being EU-compliant? That’s the exact opposite of corruption but yeah bring back chauvinist westeuro “Greeks are lazy and don’t pay their taxes” propaganda from 2010 like it’s relevant to anything.

You’re still describing an n-gram. They don’t scale or produce coherent text for obvious reasons. The “obvious reasons” is that a. an n-gram doesn’t do anything or answer questions, it would just continue your text instead of responding, b. it’s only feasible for stuff like autocomplete that fails constantly because the n is like, 2 words at most. The growth is exponential (basic combinatorics). For bigger n you quickly get huge lists of possible combinations. For n the size of a paragraph you’d get computationally unfeasible sizes which would basically be like trying to crack one time pads at minimum. More than that would be impossible due to physics. c. language is too dynamic and contextual to be statistically predictable anyway, even if you had an impossible system that could do anything like the above in human-level time it wouldn’t be able to answer things meaningfully, there are a ton of “questions” that are computationally undecideable by purely statistical systems that operate like n-grams. A question isn’t some kind of self contained equation-like thing that contains it’s own answer through probability distributions from word to word.

Anyway yeah that’s the widespread “popular understanding” of how LLMs supposedly work but that’s not what neural networks do at all. Emily Bender and a bunch of other people came up with slogans to fight against “AI hype”, partly because they dislike techbros, partly because AI is actually hyped and partly because computational linguists are salty about their methods for text generation have completely failed to produce any good results for decades so they’re dissing the competition to protect their little guild. All these inaccurate descriptions is how a computational linguist would imagine an LLM’s operation i.e. n-grams, Markov chains, regex parsers, etc. That’s their own NLP stuff. The AI industry adopted all that because they can avoid liability better by representing LLMs (even the name is misleading tbh) as next token predictors (hidden layers do dot products with matrices, the probability stuff are all decoder strategy + softmax post-output, not an inherent part of an nn) and satisfy the “AI ethicists” simultaneously. “AI ethicists” meaning Bender etc. The industry even fine-tunes LLMs to repeat all that junk so the misinformation continues.

The other thing about “they don’t understand anything” is also Bender ripping off Searle’s Chinese Room crap like “they have syntactic but not semantic understanding” and came up with another ridic example with an octopus that mimics human communication without understanding it. Searle was trying to diss the old symbolic systems and the Turing Test, Bender reapplied it to LLMs but its still a bunch of nonsense due to combinatorial impossibility. They’ve never proved how any system would be able to communicate coherently without understanding, it’s just anti-AI hype and vibes. The industry doesn’t have any incentive to argue against that because it would be embarrassing to claim otherwise and have badly designed and deployed AIs hallucinate. So they’re all basically saying that LLMs are philosophical zombies but that’s unfalsifiable and nobody can prove that random humans aren’t p zombies either so who cares from a CS perspective? It’s bad philosophy.

I don’t personally gaf about the petty politics of irrelevant academics, perceptrons have been around at least as a basic theory since the 1940s, it’s not their field and they don’t do what they think. No other neural network is “explained” like this. It’s really not a big deal that an AI system achieved semantic comprehension after pushing it for 80 years even if the results are still often imperfect especially since these goons rushed to mass deploy systems that should still be in the lab.

And while I’m not on either hype or anti-hype or omg skynet hysteria bandwagons, I think this whole narrative is lowkey legitimately dangerous considering that industrial LLMs in particular lie their ass off constantly to satisfy fine-tuned requirements but it becomes obscured by the strange idea that they don’t really understand what they’re yapping about therefore it’s not real deception. Old NLP systems can’t even respond to questions let alone lie about anything.

Anyone being patronizing about “not fully learning and understanding” subjects that calls neural networks “autocomplete” is an example of what they preach against. Even if they’re the crappiest AI around (they can be), they still have literally nothing to do with n-grams (autocomplete basically), Markov chains, regex parsers etc and I guess people just lazily read “anti-AI hype” popular articles and mindlessly parrot them instead of bothering with layered perceptrons, linear algebra, decoders etc.

The technology itself is promising. It shouldn’t be gatekept by corporations. It’s usually corporate fine-tuning that makes LLMs incredibly crappier than they can be. There’s math-gpt (unrelated with openAI afaik, double check to be sure) and customizable models on huggingface besides wolfram, ideally a local model is preferable for privacy and customization.

They’re great at explaining STEM related concepts, that’s unrelated to trying to use generic models for computation, getting bad results and dunking on the entire concept even though there are provers and reasoning models for that task that do great at it. Khan academy is also customizing an AI because they can be great for democratizing education, but it needs work. Too bad they’re using openAI models.

And like, the one doing statics for a few decades now is usually a gentleman called AutoCAD or Revit so I don’t know, I guess we all need to thank Autodesk for bridges not collapsing. It would be very bizarre if anyone used non-specialized tools like random LLMs but people thinking that engineers actually do all the math by hand on paper especially for huge projects is kinda hilarious. Even more hilarious is that Autodesk has incorporated AI automation to newer versions of AutoCAD so yeah, not exactly but they kinda do build bridges lmao.

Psychosis: managing to suggest that I didn’t ask any questions after I asked several dozen on purpose lol.

Try answering even one before you continue your mini incoherent script about “imperialism” and “colonialism” that entirely “coincidentally” is about religious extremists and separatists thar your heart bleeds for while you act like their compatriots who aren’t literal jihadis and don’t want anything to do with them don’t exist.

Is it up to westies like you (but it’s really your state department and intelligence services writing the crappy propaganda) to artificially blame some supposedly non-Tibetan central PRC of destroying Tibetan culture as if all Tibetans are united in favor of brainwashing kids? You sure? You act like it so prove it dude. Prove that there are no Tibetans that want to stop the religious and lowkey political indoctrination of children. Let’s see you completely fail to prove any of your bs.

Not that you can make any argument whatsoever here, you just misuse the words imperialism and colonialism, ignoring that Tibetans themselves may be against religious extremism in their own culture and that’s none of your business. Although even if they were all united and in favor of some messed up cultural practice that doesn’t mean that everyone should respect it and allow it to continue. Like, you know, abolishing slavery despite it being “the culture of the South”. You suggested peaceful means so slavery should have continued indefinitely because liberating slaves would be “imperialism” and “colonialism” to shills like you.

You’re pretty much the shill type who also whines about Confederate general statues being removed as “cultural destruction”.

Go on, let’s see your proof that all Tibetans want to maintain feudal practices and indoctrination of kids by often politically motivated monks. We all know you’re orientalists af and keep imagining Asians etc as eternally feudal rustic peasants that behave like crappy characters in kungfu films that can’t possibly be secular or want modernization of their own culture that includes human rights. Tibetans themselves can’t possibly want their sons and daughters to be educated, they definitely all want them to be just monks and farmers. We know about your orientalism as well as we know that the USA has been using “religious persecution” for decades as whataboutism against socialist states while intentionally funding the most extreme of them to create astroturfed separatist movements and destabilize sovereign nations. Prevent religious extremism? You’re “imperialist” and “colonialist” lmao. Leave them alone? Enjoy a radical right fanatical separatist movement backed by the west. That’s the rotten propaganda you’re shilling for and the reason you have zero arguments so you resort to “leninist” and other weasely crap to poison the well like a good little propagandist.

So go on, where’s your proof? Got any?

Shift over?

More language issues, keyboard combat related stroke imminent. No great mind will be lost though.

Look who had the language issues all along. They really hire the absolute bottom of the barrel don’t they?

Does the chairforce have advanced technologies to prevent oiling up keyboards with cheeto dust? I hear it causes PTSD in servicemen.

Ok vaush. Hope the new ozempic shipment reaches the base within schedule because cholesterol and desk jobs is more lethal than conventional combat.

US foreign policy shill pretending to be a communist but defending Al Qaeda jihadis pretends not to know what question marks are.

So are you saying that your brainwashing is “objective” even though you’re a Fox News “communist”? All I’m asking for is consistency.

Pro-religious thing you said? You’re here whining about the rights of monks to brainwash kids and Uyghur jihadis lmao.

You’ve been incapable of answering any of my questions so far and switched to one liners? Typical shill.

Too advanced for Eglin chairforce base tactical cheeto eaters.

Pro-religious propaganda communist, sure buddy. Crickets about everything else as usual.

Shutup vaush.

So you were pushing anti-communist propaganda all along and had all these cocksure anti-PRC beliefs already but disguised them as care for feudal theocratic brainwashing of minors? So you can’t really argue about literally anything I said like Tibet having a local government of Tibetan communists that you discount entirely because you’re an anticommunist shill and not because you care about anything other than manufacturing anti-PRC consent? So you do this using articles from explicitly pro-western propaganda sites like the one above but would never consider checking the other side and yet you call others “cock sure”? So you’re so clueless enough to mix up leninism with maoism even though neither invalidate Tibet having a Tibetan government anyway? So unless a nation is an ethnostate there’s oppression happening? So only voting for bougie duopoly parties every four years is “democratic” but open access to constant voting and decision making through local governments available to all citizens who want to get involved isn’t democratic because Murican crapitalism doesn’t operate like that? So you have far far less political representation than anyone in PRC but you want to yap about representation lmao? So you want to bring up the Uyghurs while the source for that is still crappy CIA propaganda and it’s actually about religious extremists that you otherwise lock up in Guantanamo when they turn against you? So you keep somehow siding with religious anti–freedom fanatics? So you’re so concerned about a state making sure that religious authorities don’t end up acting like a political Trojan horse while the West is constantly legislating censorship and repression and cracking down on demonstrations against real genocidal foreign policy and supporting genocidal colonial states? So you almost definitely have never done anything or even posted anything about the liberation of colonized Guam but yet you’re yapping about PRC being “imperialist” as if the Tibetans themselves aren’t part of their own administration? All I’m asking for is consistency!

I predict crickets like before. But let’s go deeper.

So you’re either clueless or a liar and don’t know that Chinese officials are literally all elected but you imagine who knows what sort of magical appointment by the ghost of Mao probably? So you’re almost definitely going to whine about lack of “legitimate” elections in the PRC because it’s a single party system as if having two parties that also vet and preapprove their candidates is better outside your propaganda? So you don’t know that all levels of government and the party itself are open and you don’t need millions to run unlike Murica, making them more democratic institutions because what you really want are pro-calitalist wreckers being allowed to run to turn China into a colony again so you can get cheaper goods in the west? So you clearly don’t care about nations (and not just ethnostates) having sovereignty because you want cheaper crap and global dominance for your side at the expense of everyone else? So westerners get to complain about supposedly other nations not having enough democracy while simultaneously complaining about their own parties stealing elections all the time lol?

I’ve got better ones.

So you complain about whataboutism when the Tibetan issue is literal whataboutism lmao?

Bestest one: So the only valid voices are religious extremists who support western propaganda ( and not the Chinese Han, Tibetans, Uyghurs etc who support their government because you know, they have healthcare, employment, religious freedom AND freedom FROM religion, womens’ rights and constantly increasing quality of life unlike the west that consistently loses all these things?

All I’m asking for is consistency.

Oh I forgot. So you either haven’t heard or pretend not to know about the oppressed fanatical jihadi Uyghurs active in Syria as Al Qaeda forces? So you’re saying that the PRC should embrace Al Qaeda because you clearly support and care about its members? We can talk about the Uyghurs all you want lol, it’s you who’ll dodge the subject.

So theocracy is okay? So feudalism and serfdom is okay? So not having any political representation is okay? So rule by religious elites and nobility is okay? So brainwashing children is okay? So suggesting that every nation should be an ethnostate otherwise it’s “oppression” is okay? So completely ignoring that Tibet is an autonomous region within China is okay? So ignoring that Tibet has a local government is okay? So acting like the Tibetans in the local government don’t count because they’re communists is okay? So implying that unelected “governments in exile” are automatically more legitimate is okay? So pretending that separatists are democratic and not a tool of Western imperialism (the real one) is okay? So making Charlie Kirk type arguments by distorting what imperialism and colonialism means and using definitions based on vibes and feels is okay? So lowkey wanting to expand western economic and political dominance in Asia and turn more regions into South Koreas is okay? So ignoring that the Dalai Lama himself recognizes Tibet as part of a multiethnic PRC (and Tibet itself is multiethnic) is okay? So crappy US propaganda is okay? So nitpicking and distorting PRC policies in edge cases while ignoring actual western imperialism and colonialism of currently real genocidal proportions is okay? All I’m asking for is consistency.

Want more? It’s not hard. Yes I’m sure you think that forcefully ending slavery in the USA for example “backfired” (you said invariably so it’s included) and that undermines any moral stance that abolitionists may once had because they weren’t gentle with the slave owners and didn’t “convince” them first. Sure buddy.

When is the USA going to grant full citizen rights to Guam, like the right to vote in presidential elections and representation in the Houses by the way? Guam independence when? Guam is far less incorporated into USA than Tibet is in PRC, with pretty much zero precedence of historical or cultural ties unlike Tibet.

So it’s okay to be a hypocrite? Consistency.