At best, it’s that the rules of the comm are biased towards corporate sites. Like, “we’re not suppressing this story specifically, we’re just suppressing anything CNN doesn’t talk about and this just happened to get caught in that general policy of non-coporate suppression.”

Right, and “any dipshit” can run a campaign ad for a senate race they’re running in, and that doesn’t count as “news” because it’s in a video format. Have to give our corporate overlords the chance to process everything through their preferred lens, or to just ignore it entirely.

So news that’s not reported on by corporate media is just not allowed to be discussed.

Because there’s a lot of people on his side politically and who believe in helping the Dems win by any means. I had a lib on here openly tell me that lying to promote a Dem is fine, and even mock me for correcting misinformation.

No I’m admitting most people are too ignorant to engage with politics intellectually and it’s the job of those who will to simplify the positions for them.

If the other side is going to stand lock step against us; our divisions will be exploited.

You win an election or you lose it. Intellectual honesty doesn’t get a vote multiplier.

Lol can’t wait to see what the “Honesty Senate” accomplishes.

Most of them are smart enough to not be so blatant about it. More often, it takes the form of pretending that they care about things like genocide, because they believe they can more effectively reach people on the left that way, compared to voicing their actual opinions. The reality is they only care about their tribe.

Suppressing a negative story about someone in their tribe is par for the course. “The ends justify the means.”

PTB. We all know why it’s getting removed, the mods want to protect transphobic Dems against legitimate criticism.

Sure there are peaceful, non-zionist jews like natura karta. But vast majority jews do support israeli actions.

Irrelevant. The percentage of Jews who are Zionists does not matter, unless it’s 100%. It is still more accurate to target criticism at Zionists, a category that includes the entire problem and only the problem, than at Jews, only some of whom are part of the problem, and who don’t cover the entire problem. Objecting to the distinction between Jews and Zionists and calling it “Hasbara” is completely wrong.

If mosques in Europe and USA invited leaders of alqaeda or ISIS, and praised them, nobody would hesitate in condemning muslims.

Bullshit. I would absolutely not blame Muslims in general for the actions of some mosques. Just because there are lots of people who are racists doesn’t mean we all are.

You are confirming over and over that you are a lying grifter just here to lie and grift for Israel.

This guy genuinely needs help. Banning him and making him touch grass would be a mercy.

You idiot really believe that the people who voted the nazis in, and celebrated them were like “Oh nooo we did a big bad~~” after they lost? People wanted hitler back after the war. Antifascist consciousness arose only in the late 70’s. The whole living memory thesis remains to be horseshit.

You mean that the people who were shaped by the conditions that caused people to become Nazis, remained being Nazis, even after conditions changed? And you think this proves that events being in living memory don’t influence people’s views?

This is not what I am saying and I do not agree with that.

So then you don’t agree that material relations shape people’s thoughts and ideas, and you are not a materialist.

out of the goodness of their hearts

When the fuck did I ever claim they did it “out of the goodness of their hearts?” There you go, assuming my views and getting it wrong again, instead of listening to my actual words.

A genuinely unsympathetic and cynical approach to politics

Moralist.

expell every anti Palestian voice from the movement.

Freudian slip?

You want to expel my voice because I didn’t meet your purity test by not being racist enough.

Your understanding of reading was “All Palestians believe in the Elders of Zion”

First you lie and say that I didn’t say what I said, now you’ve moved on to lying by just making shit up whole cloth, completely unrelated to anything I’ve ever said.

Don’t pretend. You just have a bookcase full of stuff you never read past the introduction.

Unbelievable. Your brain is rotted through so far that you can’t even conceive of someone who’s brain isn’t rotted through the same way.

Cult of personality leftist.

This is the biggest projection of any projection that anyone has ever projected.

“If you don’t blindly follow this Youtuber I’m obsessed with and suddenly become racist when he tells you to like I do, you’re in a cult of personality!”

I show you direct evidence that I said what I claimed I said, and you’re still lying? I don’t know that I’ve ever seen someone lying so blatantly.

You are going to voice it whenever the celebrity you worship starts doing. Who is it, Hasan Piker?

I really, really need you to understand that not everyone is like you where they’re obsessed with some random idiot on Youtube or Twitch and blindly follow whatever the fuck they say. Some of us read books which are also known as theory. And think critically about those books even! You should try it sometime!

Maybe V.I. Lenin is just poaching Bad Empanada’s ideas and in a couple years he’ll wake up, punch through the glass Simpsons’ style, and say “Actually, we should be hating the Jewish race instead of the state of Israel.” At which point I would realize that I’ve misjudged him terribly and reevaluate everything I’ve read of his.

You have no clue about Germany and you underestimate holocaust education.

I guess I do! They must be actually gassing Jews and invading Poland during that education! Because that is literally the only possible way for it to be in “living memory” by definition!

It’s not any different and I did not debate the thought of material relations.

That’s literally what the whole argument is about! Ok then, if you’re doing a complete 180, then, let’s return to the original point. The material relations determined that certain countries did not get vaccines until later than other countries. Those material relations have shaped the thoughts and cultures of those countries, to make them less prone to conspiracy theories.

That’s what you had a problem with! That’s what caused you to say, “You might as well go back to church and PRAY!” All I’ve been saying this whole time is that it was the material relations that shaped people’s thoughts and ideas!

That is objectively foolish

Let’s add “objectively” to the long list of words you don’t know the meaning of, along side “living memory” “materialism” and “sociology.”

So did other countries in (a similar way at least) that developed extremely quickly, like Japan and so on.

Are you claiming that Japan was a stateless society? Or did you just provide me with more evidence that states can improve people’s quality of life?

I don’t have to guess your views, they’re atrocious enough.

What have I said that’s “atrocious?” Wanting to remove misinformation? Acknowledging that material relations are a thing that exist?

You’re really doubling down on this blatant lie?

You will take my position in a year

I’ll be dead in the ground before I take your position, racist, lying scum.

I completely and unequivocally condemn the genocidal, apartheid state of Israel. From the river to the sea, Palestine must be free.

Based on that, I’ll let literally every other person, those that don’t have their brains completely rotted out by Bad Empanada, decide whether I’m a “Zionist concern troll”.

It literally says that exact phrase, word for word. Who do you expect to fool with such a flimsy lie? People too lazy to click the link?

Zionists trying to tone police the movement like you should be perma’d.

As someone who completely and unequivocally condemns Zionism, I agree completely.

We should also be permabanning edgelords like yourself who criticize antizionists for not being sufficiently racist, and who think that not being racist is the same thing as being a Zionist.

So living memory is now a property of people who have direct experience of something?

Yes!! That’s literally what “living memory” literally means! Wtf are you talking about “direct realism” it’s literally just the definition!

You can argue that the aftermath of WWII is in living memory for some people (still nowhere close to half), and you can argue that WWII is still in the cultural memory of Germans (although the word “cultural” may trigger your unhinged brainworms about social sciences), but claiming that it’s in the “living memory” for half of Germans is just factually wrong and shows that you have no idea what you’re talking about.

You work from phenomena to the relevant objects instead of considering the concrete objects for themselves and then see how the concrete interactions turn into something bigger.

What does “concrete interactions” mean, and how is it different from “material relations?”

I don’t care + same is true for me then, I can have an opinion about your opinion. I can say it’s shit. What are you going to do?

Nothing. You are allowed to consider something else to be the greatest accomplishment or to say that there’s no greatest accomplishment or whatever, and I’m allowed to think otherwise. It’s a subjective question, one of values, and unless you can argue based on reason on evidence (which you haven’t) why I’m wrong, then calling me a “fool” for valuing vaccines so highly is stupid and meaningless.

Foolish and eliminativist, and not what Marx or any relevant thinker meant with mysticism.

“Materialism is when you believe in mysticism” lmao where do you even get this shit? Like, I am genuinely fascinated by all these utterly bizarre ideas you have, that have nothing whatsoever to do with the labels you use to describe them. I really wonder where they come from at all.

Moralist

Is it wrong for me to be?

So what have states done in history?

Well, for one thing relevant to this discussion, they coordinated a global vaccination campaign that eradicated smallpox.

Your oughts don’t mean anything, when historically no state ever did jack squat in regards to fulfilling needs of commoners. None.

Complete and utter nonsense. The PRC literally doubled life expectancy within a generation.

Let me guess, you are also part of the “real democracy has never been tried”-crowd.

What on earth are you talking about? Please stop “guessing” about my views, you’ve been doing an atrociously bad job of it so far. Maybe listen to the words I actually say instead.

Half of Germans have the living memory of WW2, maybe not directly, but close enough

Lmao, what?? WWII ended 81 years ago. The only Germans who have living memory of it would be like 90. That’s nowhere remotely close to “half of Germans.”

You know why that is? Because humans are immediate beings more often than not that have a gigantic capacity of irrationality.

“Irrationality?” So you think these ideas just magically sprung out of nothing? How on earth is this a “materialist” explanation?

No. Based on what you’ve said, there’s exactly one explanation you can use here, which is that there’s some property of some particular object that turns people fascist or communist. Some kind of orb, perhaps, that all the Germans touched and it suddenly turned them into fascists.

In reality, their ideas changed because of actual materialism, which accounts for material relations rather than the inherent properties of an object. Specifically, the fact that both populations had poor material conditions made both prone to radicalization.

This is in direct contradiction with your OBJECTIONS to my materialism.

Incorrect. My objections to your so-called “materialism” is that it’s only looking at the properties of an object rather than the material conditions, which is what actual materialism looks at.

Yes and this makes perfect sense. You equate mysticism to evil

No, I equate mysticism with being wrong. Because I’m a materialist.

There is no such thing as a greatest accomplishment you fool!

Lmao, I’m allowed to have an opinion on which accomplishment is the greatest and calling me a “fool” for doing so is just silly. Honestly, I think you’re just going to attack me over anything and everything I say at this point, for no real reason. You wouldn’t say this to someone if you weren’t already in “attack mode.”

Actually, you’d want to get to a point misinformation does not even need to be removed. Where it is seen like the statement 1*1 = 2. That doesn’t happen through simple removal of the false content but engagement with it.

Is that so? Do you have any actual evidence that removing misinformation doesn’t work, or that engagement with it does? On the internet, engagement (even negative engagement) generally causes ideas to reach a wider audience, and also legitimizes the conspiracy theory as worth discussing.

The state doesn’t give a shit about you unless it can make a buck off of you.

When I talk about the first responsibity of the state, I am talking about what it ought to do, not how it acts in practice. So all of this is irrelevant.

Yours is a completely faulty way of thinking if your interests are that of the working class. You are ignoring how people, at the mid to lower rungs, can empower themselves cognitively.

Ok, so do it then. What’s stopping you? Seems like under the current conditions, we still have antivaxxers and they’re growing instead of shrinking.

It will persecute you for random capricious and vindictive reasons whether or not you are right or wrong.

Calling a three day ban “persecution” is beyond parody (not to mention comparing an instance to a state), and it’s not for “random capricious and vindictive reasons” it’s because the user is an edgelord who edged too close to antisemitism.