Tourism often doesn’t benefit the people living in these towns. The hotels and Airbnbs are usually owned by outsiders and big companies. The people living and working in a tourist town often don’t see much benefits, besides that their town is now very expensive, regular people are forced to move out, making it harder to have a regular store, because all your customers are now tourists. If too much of a town serves tourism it’s typically bad for the regular inhabitants.

I regret not making my assumption explicit: a democracy in which there is a just constitution that guarantees the rights of everyone equally. I would not model this democracy based on the USA, because it is such a broken system. In the USA, only one party is in power at a time, which makes problems like the dictatorship of the majority a real concern. Better are European systems where nobody ever gets an absolute majority and always has to form a coalition. It’s of course also not without its problems and I don’t profess to have all the solutions.

What I don’t like is just saying that the two state solution is ideal, but immediately saying it’s not feasible for something the Palestinians have done. This again places the Israeli needs over the Palestinians and disregard the vastly bigger crimes Israel has committed onto the Palestinian population over the years.

Yeah it does. To be honest, that didn’t even register with me, because the rest of the post just talks about the cause, not the solution. Also it agrees with my experiences when discussion this topic. Quite a few people say it’s complicated and that just ends the discussion for them.

Also any discussion about a solution must address the cause: as long as Israel occupies Palestinian land, they will face resistance.

Do you let it be a democracy

That one, if I had to choose. But I don’t, it’s the Palestinians that get to decide their own fate. I believe it’s everyone’s right to self-determination.

A lot of people only seem to imagine ethnostates as a solution. I invite those people to ask themselves some questions on why that is.

That is not what OP was saying at all. I don’t know what hypothetical person you’re quoting. OP wasn’t even talking about any solution. Just stating that the source of the problem isn’t that complicated. Sometimes a simple problem has a complicated solution.

Nobody serious is asking for all the Israelis to leave. The solution to one ethnostate is not another ethnostate. We’re asking for a new state that truly treats all its citizens equally. And to have a tribunal of sorts to convict the people who committed war crimes. This is not an easy solution, but getting justice rarely is.

The problem is that people point to the problems of the USSR and say it’s because of communism, but when the USA does similar things, it’s just them fucking up, not because they’re capitalist. It’s a double standard hinted at by OP.

The problem with the USSR was not that they were communist. I think that communism worked well for them, which magnified both their successes (beating nazis, reducing poverty, increasing literacy, getting to space, etc), but also magnified their mistakes (suppressing religion, art, etc).

You’ve already made up in your mind that the Palestinians are genicidal, in order to justify their colonization, oppression and murder by the Israelis. You do this for your own peace of mind. You need to do that because if you didn’t, you would see it for what it is, a people fighting for its liberation. You require the Palestinians were all perfect pacifists, going along with their own ethic cleansing and genocide.

Post an example of Palestinian people calling for genocide instead of a some unrelated dude.

I know why people keep quoting this unrelated dud:, it’s to make you think that “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” is a call to genocide. It’s not, it’s a call for freedom. Both quotes just use the word “sea”, but are otherwise not related.

Then post that instead

Okay, but then address the point that the guy was Egyptian and not Palestinian?

I mean, there is a big difference between the crimes you commit and the ones you don’t commit.

If we’re going to judge countries based off what politicians of OTHER countries say, we’ll be here all night. Fuck Canada for the shit Trump says, etc.

Two nitpicks:

• that was said by Abdul Rahman Hassan Azzam, who is Egyptian, not Palestinian
• there’s a huge difference between a threatened expulsion of some colonizers (words) and actual genocide of the indigenous population (actions)

Reminds me of this great song from Nanowar of Steel: https://youtu.be/WPUJG2jTw9s?si=FcMfvyJs4aYLrBD-