You’re talking as if for over a year (cough decades cough) Palestinian activists hadn’t tried talking to the liberals about their party’s unshakable support for the ongoing genocide.
What’s left to say to people who are “going to pick the lesser of 2 evils” even when you showed them that their pick is still funding the ethnic cleansing of all Palestinian people?
We should talk to general leftist people. Not the liberals. They still value money and profit over people
Jeez, I wonder what could be done in this very specific instance where a billionaire, who has very much openly aligned himself with fascism, has also tried to influence foreign elections and subvert entire countries’ democratic processes by leveraging his immense capital to buy and poison a massive “public” platform. We should definitely leave things as they are and let him use his platform however he wants to spread more lies. Surely just talking more about what could potentially be done about it will help! Maybe we could even write him a letter to ask for his input? No reason to, you know, take actual measures to tackle all (or even some) of this and face the serious and life-threatening challenges we face as a specie. Let’s keep chatting more and more about nothing while, as always, the fascists keep dismantling the few safeguards we have and our planet keeps burning because we don’t want to shake the boat too much.
Obvious sarcasm aside, what would you do? Talking is great when you have the time to do so, and when, more importantly, you have people genuinely willing to have a conversation and find a middle ground. They told us multiple times they are not willing
I truly cannot understand if you’re being a troll or not
Bro…
The right wing/fascists are gaining seats and control everywhere while telling us to our faces what they want to do and all these centrist moderate fuckers can do is “plan to energetically advance a probe into a potential moderation”.
I hate this timeline as much as I hate them
By definition, if you live in the US, you live a country from the “first world” bloc (ie. The western bloc)
Please stop using the term “third world” to mean poor country
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It isn’t necessarily my personal view, its what I’ve experienced empirically throughout certain forum based internet spaces
Unless you ran experiments/collected data (in which case, I woul genuinely love to see that) to gather such info, your “empirical” data is just observation-based. In which case, it can be skewed.
I’ve noticed your account is relatively new. So of course if one were to hang out with centrists and/or on Reddit, the average experience would be unbalanced as the typical use of the term tankie would be viewed as “generic insult to a person on the political left”.
But on Lemmy I’ve noticed far more people using the term tankie accurately to describe a specific fringe of the leftist movement. The type of fringe that, for example, still defends the USSR no matter what and is incapable of criticizing authoritarianisms.
Having said all of this…welcome to Lemmy! Lol hope you like it here :)
I see tankie used far more as a pejorative Term for leftists (socialists, communists and or anarchists) than actually being used with any nuance to criticize authoritarian apologia
Your view is incorrect. It can be both. There are people who will absolutely use tankie as a generic insult for “person on the political left”. But it’s also a specific term within leftist movements to criticize specific issues with other leftists (I.e., defending authoritarianism, an either-with-us-or-against-us mentality, unconditional love for the USSR/China, etc)
One can draw parallels between capitalism’s failures and the successes of authoritarian socialist/ communist regimes without praising authoritarianism
This is very true. But, by the latter definition I gave, a tankie would actually not do that. We’re having a conversation that has been had thousands of times before by leftist people about the more radical wings within their communities
One can also condemn authoritarianism while also acknowledging that one form of authoritarianism will be or is worse than another
By definition, one who has that level of nuance, would not be called a tankie. Now, obviously a user can just use the term tankie as a generic insult for “you leftist”, but that’s when nuance comes into play. Sadly, we’re are talking about instances that are very much incapable of such level of nuance.
Those are my thoughts as someone who was literally a member of my country’s communist party and left that same party precisely because of the issues I mentioned within the second definition. And based on my experiences, instances like Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad are absolutely that type of tankie.
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Be careful agreeing with this post. OP is posting a lot of racist, ableist and bigoted content
(to clarify: Hamas is not the right side, the “right side” is to protect the innocent civillians in the region)
I’d legitimately like to know what you are specifically referring to. Because FAR TOO MANY people only know about Hamas what the Israeli government/interest groups wanted them to see. Especially because without Hamas, most Palestinian people would not have water nor electricity for example. So they are in fact protecting the innocent civilians, unlike what you wrote. You were wrong there.
I’d be curious to hear why the people trying to push back their colonizers are not on the right side to you. Who is then? Is it Israel, the one literally bombing, kidnapping, raping and using Palestinian people as human shields?
In this moment of rising tensions and with a lot of countries turning to populist right wingers (if not straight up fascists), spineless liberals who only care about money are not going to provide any effective leadership for anyone.
I too am very confused and would like to know
But its statistically significant that most abortions happen as a result of the potential babydaddy doing a blow-n-go and leaving the female with a hard decision
Source: this information came to you in a dream you had once
No, you’re not “maybe wrong”. You’re absolutely and completely wrong seen as abstinence only programs have been shown over and over again to be ineffective. It’s a sad attempt at policing people’s desire for sex
I might sound like an asshole and I apologize in advance if I do because it’s not about you specifically in this case but, while I’m glad that you had people in your life who were willing to consistently talk to you and help you rethink some things, the problem to me is exactly that like you said, it does not happen overnight. At all. It actually takes a long time and a lot of trust between people to achieve what was achieved with you in this particular case. And while I am certainly glad to have another ally, time is a luxury in some cases.
Using the case of Palestine, a Palestinian village getting bombed because so many liberals simply don’t value their lives enough and don’t pressure their officials to do something about it, doesn’t have the luxury of time.
As another example, the collapse of our ecosystem is happening every single day. And while we let companies continue business as usual, those liberals think that it’s a topic that can always be postponed. But it can’t. And now we’re past the point of no return and yet we waste time in pointless conversations trying to explain to people that what is happening, is happening.
If some people on the left are willing to and have the time to take liberals by the hand and explain to them things they could look up for themselves if only they weren’t so dismissive and disinterested in the suffering of others, great. They surely have my thank. But I don’t think as a general strategy makes sense to wait for such liberal people to suddenly decide that importent issues are finally important enough to them to be acted upon.
Those issues have always been important and worthwhile. Their previous lack of interest about such topics is their own failure.