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  • No, your first comment “asking” how the Arab slave trade compares is the whataboutism.

    But let’s finish this, shall we? How does the AST compare to others? The history of slavery in the Muslim world between 5th and 20th centuries had between 6-10 million victims. Meanwhile, the Atlantic Slave Trade had 12‐15 million victims stolen from Africa between the 15th and 19th centuries. Meaning more were taken over a shorter period of time, requiring a more violent and genocidal act to accomplish. So, the stealing was worse.

    And, remember, unlike the Arab slave trade, those aren’t the only victims. All of the African diaspora in the Americas are descendents of generations of the most cruel form of slavery humans have ever devised. An active, ongoing genocide as people were constantly displaced from their loved ones over and over again. They weren’t allowed any privacy except during church (for a religion forced on them). They had to marry in secret. Their children were taken from them, never to be seen again. Their hair was shorn for “wool”. Their dead were taken for leather and their bones used to process sugar.

    Oh! And in America, at least, they’re still being used as slaves (13th amendment) to this day.

    So yes, again, this was the worst crime humanity ever committed. Sit the fuck down with this shit. Trying to fucking whatabout the goddamn Atlantic Slave Trade.




  • Chattel slavery, the result of AST, is a supremely fucked version of slavery. Children of slaves were slaves, so this incentivized “breeding programs”, which, beyond the nonconsensual nature, often included violence and forced incest. Christian justification at the time was that they had to punish their slaves “to save them from their sins”. The sin being their skin color (see, the Curse of Ham)

    Arabic slavery had no generational component, since children of slaves were born free. Muslim practices of slavery had owners free their slaves at the end of their lives as a way of cleansing sins. Not defending either, but you wanted the whataboutism. So, there ya go. One is clearly worse than the other. Congrats?



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    22 days ago

    Dude, I told you I don’t understand how what you’ve written is different from what I’ve said, so maybe start there? I can see the literal words you wrote, thanks. I’m trying to get to the meaning you’re attempting to convey, dude.

    Like are you saying “people shouldn’t have given their data to these companies”, then my entire argument until now applies. It’s not really an opt-out situation, unless you refuse to play ball with these companies.

    Are you saying “companies shouldn’t have this data”? Like, fair, but I’m not certain how what you’re saying conveys this point.

    What are attempting to say because I clearly don’t understand it with those words in that order. Give more context to what you mean, please. I genuinely want to understand but I can’t parse what you’re trying to say beyond what I parroted back at you. And it’s not some failure on your part, I am a certifiable idiot sometimes when it comes to this shit.


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    22 days ago

    Which is why I don’t give anyone my phone number.

    Happy for you, chief. I’m sure that makes it real useful to have, then, since no one knows it to call you.

    Once again, that never happened, you just made it up, and I don’t appreciate it.

    Cool, how am I supposed to read this, then?

    I mean it’s a legit concern but, maybe don’t give them your data in the first place?

    Does that not read “if they have your data, you’re the one who gave it to them”? Explain it to me, because I’m clearly not understanding


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    To not give them your data, you can’t interact in their ecosystems. Their ecosystems are the community writ large, so by voluntarily removing yourself from those ecosystems, you’re voluntarily removing yourself from the parts of society that they’ve squatted on. Ergo, removing yourself from society (with a sprinkle of hyperbole, since it was sarcasm)

    Without you having signed up to Facebook, if anyone you know who has your phone number has signed up and shared your contact info, then they know your name, who you know, your phone number, which they can then use to associate you to any online interaction where you’ve also given your phone number. They have an idea of the demographics you belong to, political stance (not having a Facebook or Instagram gives them a lot of info for that), and a general vibe of who you are. Source: The exposure after the Cambridge Analytica Scandal

    You pointing out that maybe the victims are to blame for their data being in the hands of megacorps surely must imply that you think personal responsibility is the only recourse we have for this. But maybe I read that wrong and you just had no further thoughts beyond what you literally wrote down. Victim blaming for the game of it.