SHOTS FIRED, SHOTS FIRED!!

(also entirely true)

I have downvoting disabled anyway but it sucks that others are influenced by it.

I think there are a lot of people on Lemmy trying to turn public spaces into their private space, or shape communities into what they want instead of fostering a new one from the ground up.

It’s dead simple to start an instance or even a community on an instance that aligns with how people feel. Somehow instead we’ve defaulted to projecting negativity, which inhibits growth. Lemmy can be better.

How motivating do you think it is to post to smaller communities just to get an unrepresentative number of downvoters right off the bat? I can’t speak for OP but I’m sure there are plenty that don’t post or reply at all because of it.

I think at its core downvoting can be fine but on smaller platforms it’s easily abused as a form of content suppression, bullying, etc. Lemmy seems to be particularly prone to account hopping downvote spam, which sucks but it is what it is.

Thankfully Lemmy is flexible enough to create what you want more privately if one is so inclined. I’m smoking weed about it.

Lemmitors can’t resist downvoting.

If only there was a bot for that.

Thanks for the community link!

You do much video streaming on matrix? That’s what they were using discord for.

penis in toaster moment

First time?

the userbase comes off as a walled garden

I’m smoking weed about it.

The same way they are covered now.

Idk if this is some misguided insult or a legit question.

There is zero need for monetization and corporate bullshit to infiltrate Lemmy. People see an opportunity to get in on the ground floor of a newer social media and are quick to stink it up with the same old shit. Fuck that, I’m sick of it.

Lemmy does not have to be a carbon copy of the worst parts of the internet to survive. It is not a requirement to be a reddit clone or a cash generator or be profitable to be usable.

I saw, I was just venting frustration at that specific viewpoint.

It’s annoying that the same tired tactics are being applied to every corner of the internet.

“I think it’s important, for the ecosystem to thrive, that there be a way to have premium content to build businesses here,” he said. “That’s a fundamental belief.”

Hard pass.

There isn’t a need, that’s some bullshit. Maybe some want to monetize their platform, but certainly not all. Fuck this push for finding another way to charge people for shit at every turn being masked as creator support.

I hate it.

One of my favorite matrix games is playing “guess where it thinks the unread marker should be.”

I’m just as likely to be right as it is.

Matrix definitely has its problems. Recently I’ve moved to a private matrix install and a lot of the issues I was having went away. I think the matrix.org domain is overloaded and has a bunch of weird errors because of it. If your account or rooms are hosted there and you have issues I’d try running somewhere else and see if you have the same problems.

Like someone else said the clients have issues too. A lot of them don’t know how to report the errors they run into so they spit out garbage. There isn’t a single client that works perfectly but there are a few that are good enough to use if you aren’t using them for mission critical communication. It’s stupid but it is what it is.

Discord sucks ass and no one will convince me otherwise. I have no desire to support them and their constant nitro spam. I’d rather use something like matrix and see how it develops.

an unpopular comment posted on downvoting-enabled Site A will show higher when viewed on downvoting-disabled Site B

More or less yes, depending on how you have your sorting set and if the comment/post has any positive interactions. At worst it just shows as something with a single upvote and is sorted based on time or however it fits inline with other content with similar vote numbers. Since it’s removing the outliers you see a better overall picture of what’s being said IMO. It’s up to you to decide if that’s positive, negative, or even something you care about.

Or only if it was actually posted on Site B?

It affects how people on instances with downvotes disabled see it no matter where it was posted from. Basically the downvotes simply do not exist to instances that have them disabled.

Having trouble wrapping my mind around this. The post is on Site A. My comment is on Site B. The evil downvoter sees it on Site C. Um - what happens next?

You don’t ever know that evildoer downvoted, because vote totals never drop below 1 (technically 0 but assume OP doesn’t undo the default vote or you downvote). Other instances can still see the vote totals. You can still easily tell popular things from unpopular things but without the downvoters affecting the way YOU see the content.

It does a lot of things but one example would be if someone were to downvote something out of spite with all their alt accounts. Depending on sorting and whatnot you or someone else may not see that content on an instance with downvoting enabled because it usually gets pushed down or collapsed. Without downvoting that content will instead show as something with few upvotes and more or less be blended normally with the rest of the comments.

There’s always the option to join an instance with downvoting disabled or to turn off the vote tallies yourself in your account settings.