I think the same theory works for everything- including generic replies to comments on Lemmy.

You were defending the hypocritical point of view.

I specifically called out hypocrisy! Over and over, that’s all I did in my response to you.

Actually read what I wrote.

Calling out hypocrisy isn’t a claim that one of the two bad things isn’t also bad.

. Sure, the technology would be there and people would run amateur ip networks, or secretly piggyback of official uses, but it would be more like the dark net / tor than what actually happened.

The early Internet was exactly like Tor and darknet. Before DNS servers were ubiquitous, I’d go to an ftp site every morning that kept hosts lists and downloaded a hosts file to give me names matched to ip addresses. If darknet was the norm, a darknet DNS would be created and it would be the “Internet” but on different protocols.

The only scenario I can imagine is something like North Korea where people are so poor that they don’t have access to computers/phones which allows the government to restrict Internet to official cafes.

“Great argument.” was sarcasm which implies you didn’t believe your earlier statement.

If you do the math, which I’ve posted here, you can see it’s true. This is a situation where hundreds of SUV drivers are sitting in traffic, see a large bus bellow out a large puff of diesel smoke, and think, “Wow buses are bad for the environment.”

People are bad at math. They don’t see their individual contributions add up to really bad things.

This is what I replied to:

“Something that sucks is slightly less bad for the environment than something that also sucks. Wow very good argument”

Is there something else you are referring to that I missed?

You resort to insults because you have no defense for your argument.

While it could be interesting, I don’t think it’s realistic. Before everyone had Internet, there was Fidonet. Trolls were on BBS FidoNet.

Before FidoNet there were Ham radio operators relaying across the world. There were Trolls on Ham when Ham was used by many during the 1970’s CB craze.

There is something inherently cool about communicating with people across the globe. So a few technical people make it happy and the masses use it.

So any communication medium evolves into an Internet even if the underlying technology is different.

The best you could realistically do is assume something causes an bandwidth limit of say 9600 bps. There would still be an Internet with all the problems but it would be text based.

Stop lying. Using the same car analogy isn’t a copy and paste.

Doing something that sucks more while complaining about those that do things that sucks less is hypocrisy.

If you scroll further down, I did the math assuming that it wasn’t even a gaming company and got 18 GWh.

Insults aren’t a rebuttal. You didn’t explain your hypocrisy.

The entire MacOS including finder and the tools was 216KB on the 400KB floppy.

People do bad things for the environment all the time. It’s hypocritical to drive around in a big SUV (4080 gaming GPU) and mock people driving a minivan because cars are bad for the environment.

I’m claiming that chat chatGPT is used by more than gamers.

Even if we ignore that that gaming companies have a larger energy footprint, it’s still less energy. Let’s assume its a regular corporation with only accountants and laptops:

6k employees 20 kwatt hours per square foot https://esource.bizenergyadvisor.com/article/large-offices 150 square feet per employee https://unspot.com/blog/how-much-office-space-do-we-need-per-employee/#%3A~%3Atext=The+needed+workspace+may+vary+in+accordance

18,000,000,000 watt hours

vs

10,000,000,000 watt hours for ChatGPT training

https://www.washington.edu/news/2023/07/27/how-much-energy-does-chatgpt-use/

Yeah, but Game development does use more energy than a typical office worker. However even treating it as a regular office worker, the training costs are equivalent to 3k office workers but the results of the training are used by far more than 3k. So the energy use of the training is divided by millions of users.

The original Macintosh had 128k of ram.

I got to where it expected me to partition the drive manually and noped out. I was doing that in the 90’s when I compiled my own kernel. Ain’t nobody got time for that today.

Is it wrong to point out hypocrisy? Is also it wrong to mock SUV owners who complain that buses burn gasoline/diesel?