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I’m fond of the Phand.
All that work collecting garbage to buy garbage.
You get 25c?? We only get 15c, not worth the PS level effort.
Here in Arkansas, I don’t know any “trash” that you can pick up for a deposit. I think when I was a small child in the 80s you could do glass bottles, but when plastic came in that ended. As a teen, and up to maybe a decade ago, you could get paid for aluminum scrap (by weight), but both of the metal recycling places in my county (Polk) do not pay for aluminum anymore (they will accept it, but not pay for it).
In ireland its 15c for small bottles, and 25c for large ones.
We get 5-10. And were one of the most expensive countries to live in.
You also pay the amount, it’s a deposit.
Yes but it makes it a terrible side hustle for the poorest of us and when the return on taking away the bottles is not worth the effort it defeats the whole point
We don’t get them ;)
Ban plastic for consumables, glass and cardboard forever!!!
In case you didn’t know, I think you might like to know: In Germany they also do reusable PET and reusable glass.
“reusable” in really big quotation marks
I mean, they get collected, washed, and reused. Not sure why the sarcasm about it?
Nah, there are a lot of glass and plastic bottles that do get reused a couple of times. You can oftentimes even spot a characteristic ring of scratch marks from the machines that process, clean and refill the bottles.
Typical „Mehrwegflaschen“ are
- Beer bottles (glass)
- Milk bottles (glass)
- Lemonade bottles (glass)
- Water bottles (glass and plastic)
- Coca-Cola/Fanta/Sprite bottles (glass and plastic)
- Yoghurt cups (glass)
There are multiple standardised types and sizes that are used by a multitude of brands. They are not recycled but reused. (Well, they do get recycled, once they are either broken or show heavy signs of use. The „Normbrunnenflasche“, the 0,7L standard bottle for water, for example, gets refilled about 100 times.)
And of course there is the „Pfand“ (deposit) system: Depending on the type of bottle, you usually pay a 8ct or 15ct deposit on the bottles. The system works pretty well.
Of course, there’s also a lot of one way bottles. Those usually have a 25ct deposit and are not reusable but get recycled instead. They’re usually also being brought back to the store, people want their 25ct back after all. (And yes, I know a lot of them aren’t actually recycled but end up at a landfill all the same).
And of course, there are also a lot of glass bottles that are not being reused and instead recycled by default like wine bottles or some non-standard types.
Why do you mean? Am I missing some context? Or do you think I’m conflating recyclable with reusable?
They actually do have re-use programs where bottles are cleaned and refilled. Unfortunately they also have single use, that are only recycled, I’m not trying to hide that. But the re-use program seems good to me. I wish we had it in Switzerland.
Dude, why are you spreading bullshit when it’s quite obvious you have no clue?
There is no such thing as an indefinitely recyclable plastic. The best kind can only be recycled a few times.
Reusable is different than recyclable. They mentioned reusable plastic as in you make it out of a thicker material and only wash it in between uses so that by the time it’s actually damaged enough to be recycled it’s been used many times
You can do that if you want to eat a lot of microplastics
You’re constantly moving Goalposts. Point is, “Mehrweg”-Bottles in Germany are getting refilled, and they are more environmentally friendly than the single use ones. The PET-Multiuse even more so because they have smaller transport emissions thanks to the smaller weight
That’s not where all our microplastics are coming from, the much bigger concern is driving cars which leaches a bunch of microplastics from the tires that end up in our waterways. By reusing the plastics you have less deliveries so less microplastics in your local water supply
Some PET bottles are reusable in Germany, and the scuff marks are a very clear sign some of these bottles have been used a good dozen times.
It’s not all bottles though, many will be crushed and recycled (I hope).
you shouldnt cause recycling is a scam and wastes energy and material. The guilt was pushed upon the consumer by the plastic industry.
Real solution would be regulations on what materials are allowed for packaging, and making clear guidelines how a thing should be packaged so you dont get 20 fucking boxes filled with plastic bags and peanuts and foam for a pet rock.
Dude, >98% of the Bottles in Germany get recycled, and thanks to the deposit system they get pure PET out of it which is well recyclable.
Plastic pollution is a big problem. PET Bottles in Western Europe aren’t a part of it. Other plastics are
Glass soda bottles just hit different™ I would pay extra if it’s an option
They do, but you’re not supposed to hit people with them.
Glass is a verb isn’t it? What else would you do with them.
Here you can get them at most grocery stores. It’s also usually the standard for German Brands, it’s mostly Coca Cola Brands that are sold in Single-Use-Plastic
Not in Iran. Only some restaurants, mostly old school ones carry them now. They also take the bottle back, send it to the factory, where they are cleaned and filled again.
Err, the fact that you get a deposit back when returning the bottles means they’re most certainly NOT single use.
PET flasks are very easily recycled. Easier then glass. There is a whole industry built on it!
Here in NL we’ve had this system for as long as i can remember. (Im over 50)
Not disposable is what you mean I think, the pet bottles aren’t refilled so they actually are recycled unlike beer bottles which are reused and not single use (mehrweg in german). The term is a bit confusing because it is also used to describe stuff like plastic bags, cutlery and ‘paper’ cups (you bin those after using it once)
You still get the micro plastic bonus tho
Err, wrong. Every Bottle in Germany has a deposit on them. 25ct for Single Use PET 15ct for Multi-Use PET and Glass Bottles
And Use refers to the amount of times they get refilled until the material gets recycled.
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I’ve stopped drinking from plastic bottles completely. And glass bottled soda is so rare here that I buy it whenever I come across it.
Sadly my preferred brand of cider recently changed from glass bottles to plastic ones, so I’m looking around.
I believe that glass is more of a solution than a problem. Compared to plastic, it is more durable, its production process has less impact on the environment and not to mention that in the case of beverages, returnable glass packaging is better in several aspects
Multi-use glass is were it’s at. Producing glass is an energy intense process, the more you use it the bettet it gets. Single use glass packaging is a crime. (Same goes for plastics multi-use>single-use)
Glas is not used anymore because it’s much heavier (= more expensive when freight is charged by weight) and breaks when you drop the palett.
glass is theoretically more sustainable, while its production does not involve the same kind of problems as plastic it is a lot more energy intensive so without proper energy infrastructure it is trading plastic pollution for carbon emissions, also heavier contributing to transport costs. With proper infrastructure for reusing the bottles the energy impact of production can be mitigated significantly. and even without proper reusage infrastructure the options for the glass is 1. resmelted into new glass 2. landfill->glass shards quickly become essentially just sand 3. environment where it also becomes sand
so while even without proper infrastructure the pollutans are essentially just emissions if properly treated just co2 (though modern kilns can be electric arc reducing emissions just to that of the country’s electricity infrastructure) and gravel. In contrast plastic has lower production emissions but the waste in environment is to put it lightly quite a bit more harmful than gravel and the effects are still not fully understood especially ones of microplastics
Cellophane, jute, wood and metal are good as well
and use what instead?
I literally answered it lmao
I read it as “ban glass and cardboard as well”
What did people use before plastic? Glass and cardboard!
I read it as “ban glass and cardboard as well”
Unfortunately they also pollute quite a bit, and cardboard isn’t really safe for consumption. How do you store meat for example? Metal cans are expensive, and glass is expensive, fragile and heavy, making it a worse option, as weight has strong impacts.
I was actually just thinking of bottles, because that’s what the op is about. So like just for beverages. I already get almost all of my beverages in cardboard, so it’s actually possible.
Beverage in cardbord? It’s still just plastic on top of it
I thought at least some of it was wax… but what did people drink out of before plastic was invented?? I’m not saying we have to regress technologically, but surely this is a solved problem.
Glass, stainless steel I guess.
Use a water bottle in stainless steel: safe to drink from and to wash, not really heavy, and keeps the temperature. Stainless steel is for reusable containers, but I’m not sure you can recycle it easily and efficiently. It’s also a bit expensive.
Glass is infinitely recyclable but it needs a lot of energy to be produced and recycled (you need to heat it a lot), is fragile, relatively expensive, and a lot is needed to make a good container, so it gets heavy, which might outweigh the positives sides it has.
Glass Recycling costs way more energy than plastic recycling.
But in Germany we reuse bottles too, probably the most effective.
What about cardboard?
You cannot use cardboard for liquids. There are containers that have a cardboard exterior – just tear them, and you’ll find out they are made out of a sandwich material with an interior layer of plastic, meddle layer of aluminium and exterior cardboard. almist unrecyclable.
I believe it uses a lot of water and isn’t really safe for food consumption, and for preserving food
Is there nothing better for the environment than plastic at least?
Yes it’s called Tap Water and refilling your own bottle
Short distribution channels would be the best
Else, fruits and food that don’t really need packaging because they have a natural bacteria barrier, or something similar
But yea I don’t see any good sanitary alternative. Since we’re bound to get microplastics I guess reusable containers that are only washed and reused a couple of times would be beneficial, at the cost of a little more microplastics.
Some kind of paper to a certain extend for some things, but yea, nothing is as good as plastic :(
Don’t use plastic where you don’t need to. And then maybe use cardboard+thin plastic for the rest: less recyclable, but less plastic 🤔. Depends on the route you want to choose: less pollution or less plastic waste
At max that’s 5.95 an hour or at minimum 3.96 an hour. Kinda shitty pay, and 60% of what was recycled was just burned anyway. That numbers for Germany BTW where it’s the highest in the world. On average less than 9 percent gets to be new plastic worldwide.
The weight loss is good to see though. Excersize is good for your body and spirit
Anyway next I’m off to tell some kids Santa isn’t real and that the tooth fairy is just their already poor parents giving them money to have them believe there’s magic in this world preserving their sense of wonder a little while longer.
Oh boy, here I go ranting against misinformation about recycling again.
Your claim that 60% of these bottles will be burned is false. The recycling quota for single-use plastic bottles in Germany is 97.6% (2023; source).
60% was the quota of all non-recycled plastic packaging material combined, back in 2018. This quota has further decreased since, and is now at about 30% (2023, source), so almost 70% of all plastic packaging in Germany is recycled. It’s still not perfect, but far, far better than just burning everything.
Recycling isn’t an easy and cheap process, but it can definitely work and be steadily improved, if it’s properly implemented. I’m so tired of this dumb suggestion, that recycling is bad because it’s not perfect (or, in the case of the US, full of corruption). Every bit of plastic that isn’t polluting the environment is a win. And recycling is definitely helping with that. As opposed to propagating false information on the internet.
Do they still count energetic recycling (aka burning in a power plant) as recycling?
According to the second source „energy recovery“ isn‘t included in this statistic.
So separating my plastics when I bring them to the Wertstoffhof actually makes sense? I never bothered because I’ve always been told it gets all thrown together anyway.
People’s main gripe with it is that a huge percentage of plastic has traditionally just been separated and then would either still end up in a landfill or sent to China or wherever to recycle. I don’t know however how much of a case that is still.
China has not been taking our trash for quire a while now.
You’re forgetting the person is also making the streets a cleaner place, having fun ( I enjoy picking litter), great for mental health, and choose your own hours.
That’s complete Bullshit. PET which is what these bottles are made of has a recycling quote of 98% and over half of the PET used in the production of new bottles is coming from recycled bottles
As the other commenter said, the bottles actually get recycled; if they weren’t they wouldn’t have a system where they pay for the return. And it doesn’t make sense to count it as “pay”, as in compare to a normal job pay, cause it’s not. Dude is walking around and cleaning the environment, gets free PS5 out of it.
Doing God’s work
Pfand sollte in mehr Ländern eingeführt werden
Meine rumänische Arbeitskollegin hat mir gestern erzählt es sei in Rumänien eingeführt worden. Es gab wohl Schlangen bei der Abgabe weil alle es ausprobieren wollten :-)
mir war nicht bekannt dass Deutschland das Pfand-Modell exportiert hat. Sehr cool zu wissen dass andere Länder es übernehmen
Or you could have worked for a couple of days but yea, that’s nice I guess
Maybe they are working? Maybe they are disabled? Who knows but don’t gotta be a dick about it.
I’m just saying that doesn’t really sound efficient, I’m not trying to be a dick
Maybe they do work and barely get by and so they did this part time each day for extra spending money.
Yeah I work and I don’t have money for a PS5 all willy nilly
