One connection I haven’t seen people make yet is that Amex Platinum (one of the most high end “perks” cards) announced a partnership with AirBnB at pretty much the same time. In fact they changed some of their benefits structures to focus on AirBnB credits, replacing/augmenting existing hotel credits.
I would not doubt that they had a hand in this change as they did not want their users mad at the experience they would get going through AirBnB.
Amex demands a lot from their partners. I worked at a mortgage mill for a bit and they had a dedicated team of Amex only people, and they had slightly different guidelines and KPIs.
Sidenote, hearing “KPI” wheb job searching is now an automatic “No” from me.
Airbnbs are nasty give me an AC hotel any day of the week
I’ve seen too many instances of either:
- hospitality companies making an extra buck at the expense of everyone else
- people with “I am gonna make money with no expenses, watch meh”
people with “I am gonna make money with no expenses, watch meh”
as an example:
“Consumables,” are the perishable supplies. So that alone will put a damper on that mind-set.
If you make a product that requires you needing to handle said product with nitrile gloves, you’re going to need to allocate some of your potential earnings back into the company and buy more nirile gloves until that specific consumable eventually pays for itself OR you charge a little extra to keep the consumables in stock.
It’s a business that they’re running, so if they’re not able to use those fees to actually do what they say they’re going to, then they need to accept the fact that people are no longer willing to pay for the services.
Like the person wearing the nitrile gloves isn’t making the nitrile gloves but they’re required to make the product.
So if you’re paying a cleaning fee and they’re making you clean, they’re not using the money where it’s supposed to be going OR they’re not hiring a cleaning crew that can do what they need.
I’ve also seen some videos where some of the air b’n’b owners going, “if i need to do this by this time,” well maybe they shouldn’t be allowing guests so soon and booking on top of each other. As much as it is a business, if they’re not running the business properly and only looking at the end profit gain… then they shouldn’t be doing what they’re doing and look into doing something else.
no, they’re in both. They may be in the hospitality industry, but they are also leeches extracting profit via the ownership of property.
That’s not “real estate” that’s rent seeking. You would still have a real estate industry even if you banned all forms of rent seeking.
Why do you think they call it “rent seeking”?
I didn’t say there wasn’t a historical connection to the two
It’s more than a historical word origin, it’s a description of what it is. “Rent seeking” is the act of trying to extract profit from the mere ownership of a piece of capital without doing any work to produce anything new. Land already exists. Nobody produced it. Someone just came along and got a piece of paper that says that the government can arrest people for trying to use the land within this imaginary boundary without your consent. That’s good if it’s your house and you’re just living there, but once it’s been made into a commercial good that can be bought, sold, or rented out, you are now receiving profit from owning land without producing anything. AKA: Rent. And while selling the property for a profit isn’t colloquially called rent, it has the same function of extracting excess value without putting in additional work.
I think we’re getting into square rectangle debate, my original comment was to highlight that rent seeking isn’t just tied to real estate. There are rent seeking practicess in all sorts of industries.
A construction company building houses and selling them isn’t rent seeking, but they are in the real estate industry.
You are joking right? Right?
I like renting apartments when I travel, but not through airbnb. And definitely not after they started offering apartments in the occupied territories.
Places like agoda also offer apartments, and AFAIK they’re not involved in this kinds of invading crap.
Wow I didn’t think they could go lower and it seems that they have
Vacation apartments have been a thing for a lot longer than Airbnb. There are entire chains of vacation apartments, like https://visionapartments.com/en and https://www.limehome.com/en/ (I have stayed in both, but never used Airbnb at all).
I never know where to look for such stuff outside of Airbnb so I’ll save this comment and keep in my back pocket for such a time in the future, thanks!
I found both of them through booking.com, they aren’t just for hotels, but have apartments too.
Air BnB has been straight up bad value for such a long time. Hotels have competed on price and give much better deals… With 24 hour front desks, helpful staff, swimming pool, en suite bathroom, etc. I gave up Air BnB years ago and never looked back.
It was more worth it in the beginning. I’ve found its still worth it abroad, at least in Europe.
I can stay in a hotel and be more confident they aren’t spying on me 24/7 with cameras, than I would be in some stranger’s house.
AND YOU DONT HAVE TO CLEAN THE FUCKING HOTEL FOR THEM!
Wanna eat extra wet chicken wings in your king sized bed? Fuck it. The bones? Just toss ‘em on the floor!
(Just to be clear, don’t do that)
Or do do that, and leave the housekeeper a tip, it’ll still be less than the cleaning fee you get for leaving the airbnb spotless
Same. The only value for me is when I’m traveling with a group of friends/family and we all want to stay together. That’s the only added value to an Airbnb for me.
Place I used to work at would book AirBnBs for any overnight stays at places far away from home. It usually worked out better, since it was cheaper than getting an individual room at a hotel for each employee, especially when it was 4-5, since it was company policy that every employee is entitled to their own room (which was relevant for people who worked with family and sometimes stayed together). We did have a lot of issues with going places that would list X bedrooms when they really meant X beds. But for my personal life, I can’t typically justify an AirBnB.
I always have my wife’s dog with us and she barks a lot when left alone so we end up using them for that reason. We could use hotels, but I’m not an asshole and I don’t want some stranger having to hear that.
Just don’t leave your wife alone. Problem solved.
Do you think it’s too late to train the wife?
Never too late! Wives can always be trained except if too old, i guess
That’s a temporary fix that will certainly turn out worse in the end
If you have kids Airbnb is still much better value though.
We recently did a road trip in central europe and hotels are crazy expensive and frankly terrible for families. You either pay 200 euros per night or get 2 rooms 100 euros each that are not even connected while Airbnb for 3-4 person family can still he done for 100 euros AND you have a little kitchen for prepping food for kids etc.
Airbnb for >2 people is still like 50% cheaper and straigh up better experience.
For me it’s the opposite, also in Europe, also >2 people. Airbnb may sometimes be a bit cheaper than the higher class accommodations with breakfast included - before you add the fees of course. I don’t really bother anymore TBH.
I guess it just varies highly by location. The baltic and the Nordic countries Airbnb is so much better but France and Germany actually has proper reasonable family hotels. My guess from my own anecdotal experience would be that denser countries and locations have better scaling for family hotels while smaller ones scale better with family apartments / condos. The competition here might actually be low key good for everyone.
I don’t know about the Nordics but for me Airbnb was way overpriced in Germany, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Switzerland, Belgium, Netherlands, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, etc. in the USA it was in Florida and California. In every country there were touristy spots, cities, and off the beaten track locations. Timeframe: about the last 10 years at least.
I only open Airbnb to show the crazy to utterly deranged prices and wonder who is paying more for less convenience and no service.
When it was cheaper for nicer accommodations we used it all the time. In the last 5 years I would never consider it. Far more expensive than a nice hotel, and with worse amenities.
I only use them when I want to travel somewhere without any other accommodations to speak of or if I want to bring my bike with me. Otherwise, hotels are so much better.
“What are they gonna do? Use a hotel?”
I know a bunch of folks have had problems but AirBnB has never been a problem for me
Nice for you. They’re still masking as a cheaper alternative while not being cheaper or a alternative.
TIL, thanks.
I’m so weary of these posts.
Its absolutely fine to prefer hotels.
There’s good and bad experiences to be had everywhere. Not surprisingly, if you choose the cheapest property and ignore the reviews… You’ll probably receive the experience you pay for.
“I stayed in the cheapest hotel and there was cum on the walls”
For the most part that is true, but the biggest difference I have seen in the last 15 years is a drop in bed quality. You are almost guaranteed the cheapest bed imaginable at this point.
We don’t travel that often, but same, no issues. I hate hotels because of the added on fees and treating everyone like cattle. They remind me of Planet Fitness trying to get people to just sleep there and then get the hell out. From the stories, it sounds like the airbnb types are just getting as bad in different ways, but I haven’t seen it yet.
Like most things, people only talk about the downsides or the horrible experiences. I’ve only had one issue with them and it wasn’t the company, it was the idiot ass owner who got reported hard.
I think the problem is the idiot ass owners are the majority for most people now. Maybe it depends on where you’re going or what you’re looking for. I’d do a bed and breakfast in a quaint town but I’m done with airbnb in cities or tourist locations.
Not cropping screenshots either.
Oh man I’d like a date for that. I bet it aged well
Probably pretty recent and related to
Why would this have aged poorly?
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