The 9to5 article is poorly written. In the first paragraph 9to5 says a new window system is “scheduled to replace” the current one, but this is not true. The cited blog post explicitly says “There’s no timeline or roadmap at this stage”. The Gnome developers are merely experimenting with a new window management system and at this early stage it’s impossible to know what the finished product may look like if these experiments go anywhere at all.
Here’s a link to the original blog post where Gnome developer Tobias Bernard explains their dissatisfaction with existing window management systems and discusses the techinical challeneges developers face.
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That blog post is much, much better. That’s a reasonably exciting system; I hope they make it work.
I think this looks amazing. I do like the behaviour of tiling WMs, but having a DE is too comfy for me to give up. This could possibly bring the bestof both worlds.
There are already ways to have tiling and a DE.
On GNOME, there’s PaperWM, although it’s not quite traditional tiling either.
On KDE Plasma 5.27+, you can use Polonium. For versions before 5.27, Bismuth.
And on Xfce or LXQt, it’s often possible to use them with a traditional tiling WM, like i3wm, bspwm etc…
I’ve been using Krohnkite on KDE. Are those you mentioned better?
Krohnkite went unmaintained a while ago, which is when Bismuth forked from it. So, Bismuth is basically a straight upgrade. The dev implemented tons of features, which you may or may not need, but I think, there were also some fixes for stability and Plasma version compatibility.
Polonium came about, because Plasma 5.27 introduced a (manual) tiling system of its own, which partially broke Bismuth, but also meant it made sense to develop a new KWinScript, which makes use of this native system.
As such, it is a step back from Bismuth. I think, it’s roughly comparable to Krohnkite in terms of features now, but still a very young project, so not as stable yet…Interesting! Krohnkite still works so well for my use case that I didn’t even realize it was unmantained. I’ll give those two a shot!
I’ve tried all 3 and krohnkite felt like the more polished, can’t tell you which doesn’t do what but the others felt a bit clunky in the way they handled resizes and such
There’s also Forge for GNOME.
You could try Pop!_OS. There you get the full DE, plus tiling implemented by a GNOME extension. You can also just install that extension, of course, or another.
I saw this and I really like that they are trying to improve it and innovate. Nothing has happened for a long time in the desktop innovation area since the web took over.
I really enjoy how GNOME handles windows currently already.
Between having the ability to move and resize windows with
Super + (mouse left|right), switching between windows of the same application withSuper + backtick, workspaces andSuper + typeto search, there is very little to desire.Unlike tiling VMs, this makes sense out of the box for 99% of the apps out there while providing a really quick way to get where you need quickly.
Even better are the three-finger swipe gestures on the laptop trackpad
Innovations are pretty rare in the desktop space but this looks like a really good innovation if implemented bug free.
This looks super promising to me, as it seems to blend the best of both tiling and floating windows. I hope they manage to work this in to future versions of Gnome.
Indeed! It might be a good way to sneak tiling into the workflow of users that wouldn’t actively set to using it.
I thought this meant they were developing their own alternative to x11 & Wayland. It’s just how windows are arranged on the desktop.
I’ve been such a fan of the Pop_OS window tiling. By far the best implementation I’ve found
Agreed. It’s the best blend of keyboard driven window management and recognizing that users might also use the mouse from time to time. I got my wife to use and default to tiling with Pop!_OS.
The only problem is Pop!_OS is a shitshow of dependencies being built on Ubuntu. I had an update last night that reinstalled snapd and LibreOffice and Firefox even though I intentionally uninstalled them in favor of the flatpaks. Cosmic DE, and presumably re-basing Pop!_OS on nixOS (given a dev comment) can’t come soon enough.
There is no snap in pop os unless you installed… Firefox and libreoffice are debs. The problem may be that the pop-desktop package is depends on too many packages, but not snap
Yet somehow, through only apt updates, it brought back LibreOffice, Firefox, and snapd.
IIRC, it was something to do with ubuntu-minimal or ubuntu-release meta packages, which I never intentionaly installed.
I’m probably the only person who uninstalls the Firefox and LibreOffice packages and replaces them with the flatpaks, but this seemed like an oversight and dependency hell that comes from using the derivative of a derivative distribution.
We’re the little video clips not working for anyone else?
Worked fine for me (firefox mobile).
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Looks like they have put a lot of thought into it so I’m keen to see where they get with it. My concern with these kind of changes is that they often end up trying to guess what the user wants, which creates an unpredictable behaviour that is then more annoying than it is helpful.
Exactly, for this community is to blame. People mostly are against even minimal and anonymous surveys, telemetry and stuff. So, all they can do is just assuming that people want something or not.
Usually they are talking to active community members, whom, we all know that programmers and technical people.
IMHO, they need a bit more data to decide on
And yet it seems to me only GNOME has this problem, and it has been there since Torvalds still publicly executing everyone in mailing list. XFCE, LXQT, hell, even KDE only has minimal complain about unexpected behavior. It seems to me that in a concerted effort to predict as much user behavior as possible, GNOME created this non existent “average user” that conforms to no one, and created this mess on their own.
Also, we are mostly against nonconsensual, non-explicit, or opt-out type of feedback. As far as I concern, efforts to point out to GNOME devs their faults are many to the point its a meme. It is also, not unrelatedly, a meme that GNOME denies these complaints because “the average users wouldn’t get it”) . I think it should be clear enough by now.
You consent to their design choices by using the DM they are crafting.
On one hand I’m interested in seeing how well it works and what they do with it, on the other hand…
Again? Wasn’t Gnome3 bad enough?
Gnome3 is great if you don’t expect it to look and behave like Windows (there’s KDE for that).
Gnome is meant to be controlled with the keyboard and a touchpad, without having to memorize shortcut combos or complicated gestures.
And it works perfectly.Well, if you don’t like customize it with using plugins that break every time that gnome gets an update, gnome 3 could be fine…
If you feel like you need lots of plugins, use KDE Plasma instead. It can be customized to work very similar to Gnome3 out of the box, and has a lot more options.
Fun fact, most extensions don’t even break, they just have a fixed value as a compatibile version… A popular example is, GS connect, it was marked as incompatible with gnome 44, but by editing the compatible version, it worked fine.
Any pluging you install on gnome is going against what gnome is made for, it’s supposed to be barren of function so as to not overwhelm the user, and reduce the number of bug reports the devs are receiving
Wish there was a first-party clipboard manager in GNOME so I don’t have to hunt for an extension
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Stop living in 2015. GNOME is by far the most polished DE and most extensive with a great extension system.
