Is there anybody whose had experience with both?
I’m trying to decide if I want to go back to Manjaro or get into Endeavour.
Endeavor seems like a better option. The majaro devs don’t seem particularly trustworthy as OS devs, mainly because they hold back security updates as a policy and have allowed things like ssl certs to lapse multiple times. Endeavor gets you the benefits Manjaro provides without the nonsense.
I haven’t tried EndeavourOS, but I had lots of problems with Manjaro breaking after updates. It seemed like every time I waited more than a week before booting it, it would shit itself in some new and unique way.
I personally run on Arch since 2006, rolling that install along over these years. There were around 5 breaking changes in all that time that required a bit of intervention.
A few years back I set up my wives PC with Manjaro, hoping it would give her the same cutting edge experience with a bit more UI fluff to manage it. Boy was I wrong. I had to resolve package conflicts and broken boot sequences every other month.
I gave up and just installed Arch on that machine.
EndeavourOS is my preference. I appreciate that they don’t really modify the Arch experience in any annoying way. Manjaro seems to always break shit. Plus the EOS forums are amazing.
holy cow i had no idea manjaro was this bad
@yote_zip @neurodivergentAF lot’s of instability. Understandable. I’ll probably steer clear, if not completely away, from Manjaro :/
As someone who tried both, I think Endevour is better. 1.It’s more bleeding edge. 2. It’s as close to vanilla Arch as you can get with a gui installer. 3. The dev team seems to be more compitent then the Manjaro team (i.e: shit doesn’t break because someone pushed a WIP package). 4. Better community support (I mean, it’s literally just Arch with a fancy installer).
They’re both fairly easy to install. And it’s fairly easy to switch between the two.
It’s really not that hard to follow the wiki to install Arch. I feel like there’s a lot of maintaining to do when using Arch, so you might as well get used to the terminal. It wasn’t really an issue when I was using it daily, but has become a chore now that I boot up my laptop once or twice a month.
Funnily enough, I’m always on my Steam Deck now and that is based on Arch, too.
You have to remember that most people aren’t power users. A lot of people find if difficult to even install Windows. Vanilla Arch isn’t for everybody.
Honestly, in that case, I can’t recommend Arch to those users. Nothing wrong with Ubuntu for beginners and there’s so much documentation.
Is it? I thought SteamOS was based on Debian
Since SteamOS 3 it’s based on Arch
I did not know that. Thanks!
There’s a years old Debian-based version available for download, but the version that ships on Steam Deck is significantly different and based on Arch.
Yeah, I’ve used Linux in some capacity since the late nineties and know my way around. I can’t be bothered to fiddle with an Arch install, I’ve moved on, I got better things to do. So I decided to try out EOS on my new laptop. A few clicks and it was running with proprietary NV drivers by default, which are updated as needed by yay. I was playing games within 20 min from my Steam Library preserved on another ssd.
Only thing I had to do was install btrfs-assistant, plasma-Wayland and whatever apps I need.
The most laborious bit was configuring various apps to use Wayland but that didn’t have to happen immediately.
EndeavourOS is the right answer.
Endeavour
I was expecting the responses to be more mixed. But pretty much the issues I see here confirms to me that Manjaro is not the winner. I think Endeavour is going to be the one I will install.
Nobody has mentioned the guided installer that now ships with the vanilla Arch iso:
archinstallI’ve done the Arch installation from scratch a few times to add some inches to my e-peen, but the CLI installer does everything so nicely that I haven’t bothered with a manual install for a while now.
I generally choose gnome (wayland), and add
pamac-nosnapfrom the AUR, and it’s a super user friendly experience. Especially if you choose to use BTRFS during the install and then setuptimeshiftand add thetimeshift-autosnappackage once you are in the DE. For the handful of times I’ve ever had an issue with a package update, I just roll back to a previous snapshot and I’m back in action.I choose Endeavor because it’s basically Arch with GUI.
*GUI installer. Post install it does not even ship the gui software center of your DE
I ran Manjaro for over a year. It’s considerably slower than endeavourOS. I don’t know why, but the system was always sluggish and always broke for me. Also, I don’t think that their stable branch is a rolling release anymore. They wait over a month to push updates, sometimes even longer. I’ve been running EOS for about a year now. Zero issues. Light as hell. You may have to install some things, but I like it a lot. And if you don’t feel comfortable using the terminal all the time, just install octopi. Some people hate it, but I love it. Much better than Manjaro’s buggy Pamac. Only downside of octopi is that it doesn’t support flatpaks. For that I’ve installed discover with the packegkit and I’m good on flatpak. It also works very well with the AUR/EOS/Arch repos.
yay -S octopiis all you need for it, btw.
I’ve used both. Manjaro, in their attempt to be “user friendly”, winds up disconnecting you from what makes Arch good. EndeavorOS, on the other hand, is basically Arch nicely set up for a “daily driver” PC along with some nice tools of their own you can use or not at your discretion. I’ve also used just plain Arch and I actually prefer EndeavourOS of the three.
TBH I want “user friendly” with up to date drivers. Most Ubuntu bases distros dont offer that and fedora doesn’t have the same support with copr that AUR has.
While I don’t agree with Manjaro’s parent company, as someone who doesn’t want to tinker with their os, I prefer it.
After migrating from Solus a while ago I tried Manjaro, but quickly decided Endeavour OS seemed better. I mostly wanted Arch with some sane defaults so I think it was a better fit for me. However, I think plain Arch is also a strong contender despite IMO more annoying setup. I have had some issues with keys not syncing properly from the EOS repository.
went from manjaro to endevour (both kde). for me personally, there wasnt much difference, just less stuff preinstalled (bloat?) on endevouros.
I have switched from manjaro to endeavouros about a month ago. I definitely prefer endeavouros. However, the kernel install GUI in manjaro was nice, made it very easy to get an overview of the available kernels and which ones are still getting support.
Used both, and I prefer Endeavor, had been using it for an year. Endeavor feels like Arch with some useful additions while Manjaro felt bloated.
