Scott M. Stolz

@NostraDavid

Why is it so expensive to federate Bluesky?

Mostly because it depends on certain centralized services. You can create your own apps and even host your own content, but the discovery and distribution system has a copy of every post so that it is easy to access by everyone. The positive side is that you don’t have to worry about missing replies in the conversation since their centralized database has a copy of it. The downside is that hosting such a massive database is expensive.

@pelespirit Because Lemmy is federated, your upvotes and downvotes are also sent to different platforms, which may display them.

And you also have to consider how other platforms treat upvotes and downvotes.

On many platforms, your upvotes and downvotes are not only visible, but sometimes result in a notification alert (i.e. someone commented on your post, someone liked your post, someone downvoted your post, etc.). It is not anonymous at all.

They still have control over their data. If implemented properly, it just changes where there post is created since the post is synced back to their own server to their own account. Regardless of where it was created, it would still be visible on that server since it is a reply to that post.

Federated logins make sense for forums and websites where you have access to content such as PeerTube.

For forums, logging into the forum with your fediverse account would actually be ideal since you can use a forum-style interface to navigate the topics, which would be easier than trying to navigate the same topics on Mastodon. Same thing with PeerTube. You may want to watch videos on PeerTube and comment right on their website without creating a PeerTube account. With federated single sign on, you can post with your existing fediverse account.

We have that on Hubzilla and it is called OpenWebAuth. We can log into other instances and comment directly on their instance as ourselves after logging in.

People are unlikely to switch based solely on “it’s decentralized.” Most people don’t care.

But if a platform has features people want, they may consider signing up. But the real draw is having an awesome community and awesome content.

Rules of the internet:

8. There are no real rules about posting.
9. There are no real rules about moderation either - enjoy your ban.

Right now the user’s identity and the content they consume & interact with are too intertwined in many cases.

There are two aspects here:

1. The user’s home base, which is basically which server or app they log into.
2. The communities they belong to, which can be on any server anywhere on the fediverse.

We have to get out of the mindset that the server you sign up on is your community, because with federation, you are not limited to the server you sign up on.

I guess I missed the drama. But it is to be expected. Many people came from centralized social media, and simply signed up for something their friends told them about. For those people, they learned about federation after the fact. It is a new concept for a lot of people.

I think Hubzilla and Friendica are its only links to the rest of the Fediverse. Both support ActivityPub and Diaspora.