I just think it’s interesting that the people who get referred to as “tankies” claim to be on the left, but they often support the regime of Putin, a regime which is arguably fascist. I guess that’s one reason why I think the far-left and far-right are pretty similar.
I think it’s interesting that people who get referred to as “terrorist sympathizers” claim to be on the left, but they often support the regime of the Taliban.
I think it’s interesting that people who get referred to as “terrorist sympathizers” claim to be on the left, but they often support the regime of Saddam Hussein.
I think it’s interesting that people who get referred to as “terrorist sympathizers” claim to be on the left, but they often support the regime of Momar Gaddafi.
I think it’s interesting that people who get referred to as “tankies” claim to be on the left, but they often support the regime of Bashir Al Assad.
I wouldn’t necessarily call myself a liberal, I guess I’m just somewhere in the middle, I dunno. And I definitely don’t support wars. That’s why I think Russia should never have invaded Ukraine.
We heard the same logic with “Assad shouldn’t have attacked his people” or “Gaddafi shouldn’t have attacked his people” or “Saddam shouldn’t have attacked Kuwait”.
Even if it’s true in a vacuum, it’s only being used to justify imperialism.
The only lever we have is the one that sends more bombs to Ukraine, each of which is a bad day for someone, statistically mostly civilians. The US’s objective isn’t to help the people of Ukraine, it’s to create the biggest blood bath possible and acquire cheap resources and labor from Ukraine. This happens every single time.
But are we engaging with political ideas in good faith if we evaluate them based on the behaviour of specific people whose actions don’t really line up with those ideas?
I’m not dismissing all of leftism, I’m just referring to so-called “tankies”: e.g. people from Hexbear who themselves absolutely do not engage with political ideas “in good faith”.
I think I have in the past. Then I had people from Hexbear just being total cunts in their replies. They were very intolerant of different views, rather than engaging with those views in good faith.
Maybe I shouldn’t generalise across Lemmy.ml and Hexbear though - maybe some people on those instances are decent.
Have you considered that they may also have a past experience of people being total cunts as well? Why should they engage with your views in good faith if you don’t engage with theirs?
It’s not a horseshoe, it’s merely authoritarianism
I just think it’s interesting that the people who get referred to as “tankies” claim to be on the left, but they often support the regime of Putin, a regime which is arguably fascist. I guess that’s one reason why I think the far-left and far-right are pretty similar.
I think it’s interesting that people who get referred to as “terrorist sympathizers” claim to be on the left, but they often support the regime of the Taliban.
I think it’s interesting that people who get referred to as “terrorist sympathizers” claim to be on the left, but they often support the regime of Saddam Hussein.
I think it’s interesting that people who get referred to as “terrorist sympathizers” claim to be on the left, but they often support the regime of Momar Gaddafi.
I think it’s interesting that people who get referred to as “tankies” claim to be on the left, but they often support the regime of Bashir Al Assad.
Liberals oppose every war except the current one.
I wouldn’t necessarily call myself a liberal, I guess I’m just somewhere in the middle, I dunno. And I definitely don’t support wars. That’s why I think Russia should never have invaded Ukraine.
We heard the same logic with “Assad shouldn’t have attacked his people” or “Gaddafi shouldn’t have attacked his people” or “Saddam shouldn’t have attacked Kuwait”.
Even if it’s true in a vacuum, it’s only being used to justify imperialism.
The only lever we have is the one that sends more bombs to Ukraine, each of which is a bad day for someone, statistically mostly civilians. The US’s objective isn’t to help the people of Ukraine, it’s to create the biggest blood bath possible and acquire cheap resources and labor from Ukraine. This happens every single time.
Russia also being bad doesn’t change this.
But are we engaging with political ideas in good faith if we evaluate them based on the behaviour of specific people whose actions don’t really line up with those ideas?
I’m not dismissing all of leftism, I’m just referring to so-called “tankies”: e.g. people from Hexbear who themselves absolutely do not engage with political ideas “in good faith”.
It’s not like you engaged with their political ideas in good faith though.
I think I have in the past. Then I had people from Hexbear just being total cunts in their replies. They were very intolerant of different views, rather than engaging with those views in good faith.
Maybe I shouldn’t generalise across Lemmy.ml and Hexbear though - maybe some people on those instances are decent.
Have you considered that they may also have a past experience of people being total cunts as well? Why should they engage with your views in good faith if you don’t engage with theirs?
I had a conversation with someone, I think they were from Hexbear, and I was trying to be polite while they were just being insulting for no reason.
Maybe I should just conclude that the particular person I was talking to was rude, and hopefully other people from leftist instances are not as rude.
You’re right about that, I just think the idea of horseshoe theory only works in practice if hypocrisy is a valid political idea.